Thanks. Also, as Dover pointed out it is a Moving Flux, not a MM. In your and Dover’s (or anyone else’s) experience, could this explain the absence of the telltale HF ceiling that I usually hear from MM’s?
Hear my Cartridges....🎶
Many Forums have a 'Show your Turntables' Thread or 'Show your Cartridges' Thread but that's just 'eye-candy'.... These days, it's possible to see and HEAR your turntables/arms and cartridges via YouTube videos.
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.
With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.
I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.
With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.
I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
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@halcro I found the specs for your MFG610LX Recommended load 47k Recommended Capacitance 100pf Recommended tracking force 1.5g plus/minus 0.25g In theory you should set your MM input to 47k and lowest capacitance possible for linear response. From what I can find due to its low inductance the Glanz are more sensitive to resistive loading than capacitive loading. The MFG610LX and MFG61 have slightly different specifications - MFG61 has better channel separation 25db versus 23 for the 610LX. MFG61 has a Special Polyhedron stylus profile versus a Line Contact in the 610LX. "Special Polyhedron" is according to Glanz patents more refined - looks to me its moving towards to van den hul/geiger profile. MFG61 has very slightly higher compliance - 25 vs approx 15-20 for the 610LX ( at 10hz ). |
@frogman @halcro The Glanz moving flux system is patented https://patents.justia.com/patent/4072823 as are their stylus profiles. From my understanding it has a unique construction that provides a very linear flux density field as the cantilever moves. It also has very low inductance ( approx 120mH ) compared to most typical MM's at 400-800mH. As a consequence of the low inductance it is very sensitive to resistive loading, less sensitive to capacitive loading. My MFG61 has at times blown away my Koetsu Black Goldline, at other times it has sounded as dead as a doornail. It's a very sensitive beast to tonearms/loading/cabling. |
Thanks for all that info @dover This Glanz is a strange beast.....Haven’t experienced a cartridge quite like it before 🧐 It can change its sound whilst I’m sitting listening to it!!!?? As a consequence of the low inductance it is very sensitive to resistive loading, less sensitive to capacitive loading.VERY sensitive is almost an understatement 🤪Also VERY sensitive to the smallest changes to VTF and VTA I hope all this sensitivity and changeability settles down...? |
Finally the Glanz seems to have run-in so that I can settle on the VTF and Loading..... I just hope Maria has put her teeth back in.....😬 GLANZ MFG 610LX (with teeth) GLANZ MFG 610LX Toothless |
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