Referent point

Kipschhorns
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My tech has some issues with Klipsch, ,,,,yet is a horn and thus beats low sens box speakers any day on midrange. Klipsch beats Wilsons in midrange I have no doubts about

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And a well recorded vocal through the QUAD ESL.


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Tech mentions these are a true legendary speaker.
yat again, has issues, needs power = possible  to use as a reference speaker,,,, but with issues =  so we have to cancel Quads. 
We are looking for a speaker that anyone can employ with any amp,
From ARC, To Rotel to A-Z. 1 watt to 1K watts.
Voicing 40hz-12khz and no fatigue, no distortion. natural, neutral, clean voice. 

Big challenge I know.
But I’m thinking I may have found such a speaker..
anuyway,,, my vid should be uploaded by now,,and I try to explain everything in the video.
All I ask is some consideration, some reflection on what I’m trying to get across.
I really thought I was the 1st to make this discovery, but someone here altered me that others also have been working with this wide band + low sens speaker combo.
I call speakers low sens,
We need to start working with proper characterization.
Wide Bnads/Full Range/Point source.
I think these should be called
The High sens
and all other box/xover types as
The Low sens.
Because that is exactly what they are, low sensitivity speakers.
Numbers dont mean anything now.
Labs are making specs look as if their speakers are mid sens to high sens.
I don’t trust Seas nor Scanspeaks specs.
Those nombers have beome meaningless.
Yet there are wide bands also that also suffer from sens issues, maybe mid sens at best.
1 db is alot lot, when involved in speaker producing music.
Is the speaker a true 87db?
Is a wide band a true 92db?
When you intergrate a true 92 db wide band, the side speaker , does not matter what the sens really truly is.
The main speaker now is the 92 sens wide band.
here is where 90% of your music is comming from and is most of what you are hearing.
Your Wilson, Vandersteen, Thiel , Sonus Faber are only being employed as helpers, Nada mas.
The star of the show, the Soprano and Tenor is the wide band.
Yes I am aware I dumping over the apple cart.
But its loaded with rotten apples.
Needed to be dumped, long over due.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaOiIttqZs8

Silly premise. There can't be an absolute reference speaker and there shouldn't be.

The Bose 901 series.  The reference doesn't have to be the best.  It can start at the bottom too.  Think of them as analog to the Mendoza Line.

@onhwy61

i think few mouth-breathing mono-brow audiophiles will know what the Mendoza Line is. and that is not the bottom, more the beginning of the bottom.

i was a Mariner fan in the late 70’s and early 80’s, when Mario and his wonder glove roamed the Kingdome. he could pick it and throw it. and hit just enough to stay in the line-up of a perennial second division team like the Mariners.

the Bose 901’s are more Triple A.....not really Major League. i owned 901’s from 1976 to 1978. kinda sucked. the bottom of the bottom. best thing about them was i could hang them from the ceiling so my baby daughter and son did not destroy them.