The older I get, the wider my band
Referent point
Look if we are going to get anywhere in this discussion on speakers,,,we've been at here now going on 20years +, We need to figure out how we are going to go forward into this 21st C, which now is 21 yrs and going.
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a speaker that we can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a 4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a 1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible,
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make horns not a practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers must be judged next to a high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity its high time to face the facts of
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a lab name means nothing when heard next to a high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a speaker that we can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a 4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a 1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible,
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make horns not a practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers must be judged next to a high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity its high time to face the facts of
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a lab name means nothing when heard next to a high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)
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maybe wide bands are not the perfect speaker for some of you here. But they most certainly deliver to my ears a midrange which i've always been in search of. My tech agrees, most every midraneg he has heard back in the 70's80's 3 ways had this **barking/coughing* muddy midrange. Rendering a bloated image. So I chose the Philiops 2 way with that incredible tweeter, the one with the clear dome with a small protective out front, I note other labs also used this same philips tweeter. The Thors smashed the old faithful 475 Philips The wide band smashed the Thors. Its all about smackdown. You don't know what you have, til you place something else next to what you have. Now after trying out several wide bands, its quite clear to me now the DavidLouis VX8 would be top dawg. All I had to do was study even more closely the construct, which i failed to do. But as i say, these things were completely new to me. I had heard the Fostex and Lowther had some issues, so I avoided both over the years. Regardless which high quality wide band , I am more speaking in general terms. Some member here posted a link which displayed all the fq ranges of classical instruments, human voice. Studying this chart, gave more challenge to finda wide band that was superior to the last. This is when I made the VX8 DavidLouis order. Perhaps the Sonus faber, Wilson, Vandersteen's meet your criteria of high fidelity. And thats cool, I have no issues with your taste, preferences. All I am attempting to do is to bring up the idea of intergrating a wide band as midrange speaker. Based on the exp of a **less than * high fidelity wide band smashed the Thors with new super high tech xovers, only then did I see the light. At the same vol level on the Defy, the Thors sounded likea wet blanket was thrown over , whereas the wide bands with maybe a 91ish db sens, voiced loud and clear at same vol gain point. Amp working less always produces a cleaner, clearer image, Even if I am only at 9 oclock and using only say 10% of the Defy's wattage. With a wide band in the speaker sysytem is almost like I'm using the PP amp as a SET power. Ideally i think best amps for this wide band+ speaker assist. would be the famous EL34 tube amp. Then of course we could also consider the 845 which will drive the wide band beautifully, , but may have issues pushing the low sens speaker in this partnership to achieve high fidelity full range. Just before I clicked post.. I googled **wisde bands as midrange** 1st hit was this link 'from May 2018. I only just read the OP, so I have to read through the chat, see what others think. The OP delineates exactly my experiences. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/crossover-points-and-augmented-wideband-driver-speakers.25401... |
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