Referent point


Look if we are going to get anywhere in this discussion on speakers,,,we've been at here now going on 20years +, We need to figure out how we are going to go forward into this 21st C, which now is 21 yrs and going.
Time to establsih some sort of reference posit, a  speaker that we  can all agree on which is neutral, efficient and worthy to be considered true high fidelity, Last qualification, is that any amp can drive the Speaker, From  Jadis JA 800 monos blaocsk a  4 chassis 800 lb amplifier to a  1 watt SET amp.
Sure I realize this is asking for the impossible, 
'But really its not.
There is such speakers.
These would be the wide bands.
You know the Fostex/Lowther you atried back in the day and found less than high fidelity.
Well we should not throw the babt out with the  bath water.
The wide bands were developed in Berlin and Chicago back in the 1920;s. and IMHO are the finest design in any speaker (exception are the horns).
We can not make the big horns as reference, as few of us here can afford the big guys, + many other issues which make  horns not a  practical reference point.\
The only speaker i know that can fill the parameters to be designated as The Reference Point, as wide bands.
All speakers  must be judged next to a  high tech wide band.
Wide bands will expose the glares and flaws in your speaker, which are completely hidden from your ears at the moment.
I mean if we are all seeking true high fidelity  its high time to face the facts of 
1) bigger is not better
2) throwing money at a  speaker will result in great sound
3) thinking outside the box is  the creative approach to discovering high fidelity.
4) a  lab name means nothing when heard next to a  high tech wide band.(We can lay this blame at Sterophiles feet)


mozartfan
Is it possible to have a thread without anyone mentioning Tekton? Its like hearing your Ring Doorbell alert you to motion at your front door, you race to the door in expectation of a beautiful Amazon Box but instead you find someone left a dog turd in a brown paper bag. A reference turd. And the dog threatens to sue you for the tort of conversion.

Hilarious and spot on! Why anyone would totally mess up a great Ken Griffey Jr. story I’ll never know!


Lets keep it real here folks
Take Wilson’s top line speakers.
Superior to my Seas Thors?
How ?
In what regard??
Bigger sound/more spl= plays louder?
Yes Wislon’s have more spl.
And big deal, the Vandersteen’s play louder,
What are we really after here in speakers?
Loudness?
Or fidelity??
You tell me.
Seas Excel line (minus their Crescendo tweeter) is the real deal.
And the DavidLouis smacks down the Thors.
So I know as a fact the DL VX* will smash your box/xover speaker in every spec, except the loudness thing.
Klipsche Horn, sure it plays very loud.
But again , what is the only essential important criteria in a speaker??
Of course none of you know the answer
The answer was tanged on the 1979 Philips speakers, called
**HIgh Fidelity*
This is what a speaker purpose is,, and nothing else.
**soundstage/presence/bass, highs/details/warm/separation/3D effect***

baloney
The only word that describes a speaker’s success or less than is
Fidelity.
Which was being made in Chicago and Berlin , 1920's. 
New (low sens/xovers) is not always better, in this case, its not. 
WE are going full  circle. Beginnings wide band, we will end wide band. 
You're right I don't know the answer.  What's the question?
Is there a question?  Or just a rant?
What's the question?

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So we all attend a  local audiohiple club meeting.
Sponsor has Wilson or vandersteen, Thiel, maybe its the Sonus Faber at the hosts listening room.
Everyone is like **oooo, ahhhh, very nice sound..***
But on the way home and next day, we hear tid bits like **I loved everything about our friends ssytem, but the speakers were a  bit muddy...***
How often have we heard that?

So where's the Reference point speaker??
WE needa  Reference Speaker. 
The only speaker that qualifies to my 40 yrs exp is a  high quality wide band, which all began in the 1920's Chicago and Berlin.
I can tell you any Wilson speaker after a  day or 2 is going to grate on my nerves and I'm going to scream,,**Give me back my wide bands!!!**

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