Record Mats In Combination With Weights


One day I was browsing on this site and saw a product for sale.  A vinyl weight that was 900+ grams for $250 USD.  I wondered if having a heavier weight was better.

I ran across some discussion about the problems with using weights.  The record label is technically thicker than the actual listening space on the vinyl. Placing the weight on it can possibly lift the outer portion of the record on lightweight vinyl (80 grams). Additionally, most record mats that come with turntables have a slight indention in the center to compensate for that lager label section.  I recently got the Funk Firm Achromat (3mm). I see that the center portion is a different material and appears to be recessed.  I am currently using a Fluance Hifi High Mass (760 gram) weight stabilizer.

Am I doing a disservice by having both the Achromat and a high mass stabilizer? Thus far, I have only heard good things from my system when both are used, but I am not sure what the weights of my various LPs are.
128x128guakus
Right. Because you are listening. But not lucky. That's just the way it is. Far as I can tell anyway. Every single thing I ever tried was better than nothing, than just a record on the platter. When I first brought this up to DJ Casser in the early 90's he made me a carbon fiber disk with a hole in the middle, crudest thing he ever made I bet. But that's the way it is when you test, doesn't have to be pretty. It worked, and that was enough.

Since then I tried lots of things. Playing a record generates a tremendous amount of vibration. Never seen any measurements but I bet the stylus in the groove generates far more vibration than the bearing, motor, everything else all put together. This should by the way be obvious and uncontroversial. Play any record, you can hear the music clearly just from the cartridge body vibrating. Can't hear the motor, platter, bearing, plinth, anything else. Just the cartridge. Main source of vibration.

Mats, clamps and weights all help to control this vibration at least in the vinyl. Things like OL Cartridge Enabler or fO.q tape can help with the cartridge. All these things help. The challenge is these vibrations run across the whole audio spectrum and dynamic range. It is super easy to dampen some enough to hear improvement. That is basically what all the different things do. What is super challenging is to control equally well across the whole spectrum. This is harder to do and also a little harder to hear. When one or a few things are made better this stands out. When everything is improved equally well the full nature of the improvement can actually be a little less obvious and harder to hear. Or another way of saying it can take a while to appreciate. But these are worth the effort because they are exactly the sorts of things we appreciate more and more as time goes by.


@guakus

The point I made was that each turntable is different, and will yield different results. In your case you succeeded in gaining improvements from the specific mat/weight you purchased. The key is exactly what you said
I take the position that these items are a positive influence on the system I am using. 

"on the system I am using"

@dover

Agreed.  I began this post to see if there was something I was missing about weight.  Whether it was something I needed and as it turns out, it's sort of like asking, "What's the best Bourbon?"  It's 110% subjective. :)
110% is lacking in the hyperbole department….. of course, i just had a shot of small batch redemption 

Bob Ludwig a noted master of well mastering uses the unique Brinkmann clamp and platter system…

Enjoy the music, and the Bourbon. We serve John Jay Bowman when we are out of rotgut.
@tomic601

My Bourbon tastes are a bit more eclectic. While it lasts, I prefer a pour of Jefferson's Presidential Select 18 Yr, Stitzel Weller Barrel. When that runs out, I suppose Maker's Mark will be my well.