Thanlks to all for your input. A friend of mine was a Thiel dealer along with great electronics. For me it all began with Henry Kloss and the Large Advents and their amazing little receiver. Since then I have gone the route that many of you have, Vandersteen, Quad, Magnepan, Martin Logan, Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Classe and far too many others to list (yes, an audio and Jazz aholic) And each model of Thiel, Magnepan and others has served me well....however, every journey needs a starting point and for me the Large Advents began my addiction