My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Jay,

The final take video sounds good, but I am not familiar with the songs, and I don't believe you played these songs on the XLF.  After you break in the new speaker and the new outlets, please play songs that you played on the XLF.  Since YT lists the songs, I'll try to help post links to videos from your channel, so we can compare the 2 speakers more easily.  The major variable will be the Furutech outlet vs the former outlet, but the differences in character between the 2 speakers should swamp the outlet differences.

viber6,

It really takes an expert to properly explain resolution and bit depth, hopefully there is someone qualified on this string that can more accurately explain why your rational is incorrect if I get it wrong.  But in my limited understanding I will try and partially explain.  For the record, you have already stated that you "do not understand one solution (Leedh) the problem of loss of bits at low levels."  And that you "don't see how any digital volume control is better than analog at even moderate levels."  So, I would appreciate it if you don't criticize my admittedly partial explanation of this issue with your limited understanding.  I will happily stand corrected from an expert for any mistakes that I make in my calculations...

One problem is that your rational does not allow for upsampling.  

It is quite easy to convert a 16 bit depth resolution to a 24 bit depth.  This involves only simple multiplication.  It is true that the first increase in bit depth does not in any way increase resolution... at that level.  At full output the analogue conversion redbook standard is +/- 2 volts so 65,536 digitally represents 2 volts at 16 bit and 16,777,216 represents 2 volts at 24 bit.  They are equal.  When the conversion from D to A occurs, both result in exactly the same instantaneous voltage level, without any complex DSP applied.  To make this conversion, you merely multiply every sample by 256.  No loss or gain occurs, only a difference in numeration.  

But since bits are relegated to either 1 or 0, you can't divide them.  What the increase in bit depth allows is for division to occur without loss.  You can then very accurately lower the volume significantly while maintaining excellent resolution.  16 bit resolution gives 65,536 levels at 2 volts, 24 bit resolution gives 16,777,216 levels at 2 volts.  You can then mathematically lower this amplitude by 256 times while still maintaining a higher bit depth than maximum redbook level of 16 bits which is actually only used at 100% output (effectively never).  Algorithms can deal quite well with any rounding errors as you reduce volumes i.e halving the volume with a digital number that is odd. This results in a potential maximum error of 1/16,777,216 of 2 volts error...  significantly below the threshold of hearing. 

It is true, that the information available does not increase resolution at the full level in the upsampling, but what it does is then allow volume adjustment with more increments without rounding errors.  I.e.  digital level 4000 in 16 bits (.122 volts output) becomes level 1,024,000 in 24 bits (also .122 volts output).  You can then reduce the volume 250 times for an lowered volume value of .000488 volt output level volts with a digital level of level of 4,096. So, 1/250 of the output while resolution is still effectively higher than with what you started (4000 increments below vs 4,096 levels below but at 1/250 of the volume.

Digital editing has been utilizing these mathematical formulas for decades.  In studios, every track is recorded for a maximum resolution then during mixing lowered to an appropriate level.  So when implemented properly, it is actually far easier to digitally reduce volume with minimal sonic impact than it is to do it in the analogue realm. If this type of dsp were not readily possible, quality digital mixing would be nearly impossible and while some might argue that digital anything is inferior to all analogue, there are other threads for that discussion as Jay only works in digital.  While you can accurately argue that information is still lost in this math, the information level lost is far lower than the base threshold set by redbook 16 bit depth.

In summary, the theoretical number of volume levels available through high bit depth digital is far higher than with what can be reasonably achieved in the analogue realm.  Perhaps not at 16 bit, but certainly at 24 bit. Once the volume adjustment has been achieved, you can then reduce the bit depth back to 16 bits if the DAC can't handle the higher bit depth but all high end DACs I am aware of, built in the last 30 years can handle these higher bit depths if not even more at 32 bits.

I hope this satisfactorily answers your "question".

Vac monoblocks are back from the dead after a 2 month hiatus. For the first time I partner them with the matching vac master Preamp.

This is such a different presentation than the Mephisto.

My thoughts to come soon!

 

Not sure if you all are having issues with tidal but right now I've been troubleshooting all day. It appears that the MQA format and Reebook are randomly skipping certain parts of random songs that I have played a million times. We tried everything possible but the issue happens sporadically. This does not happen at all with QOBUZ. By the way, this issue is happening through ROON only. 

How are you streaming? I know I've had a few times where Aurender needed to implement an update to get MQA files to play.