True or False?

This was my post in your thread “Objective vs Subjective”:

**** No disrespect intended and maybe I’m showing my age (in this hobby), but I am frankly surprised that the question has been posed. The question and answer are so rudimentary to this hobby and so frequently asked (in one way or another) that….

As much as I sometimes dislike using the word “audiophile”, I’ll use it to ask this simple question: are we “audiophiles”, or are we “measurementphiles”? ****

This thread is one of those “one way or another”.

Again, no disrespect intended, but how many times do we have to rehash the same questions and issues?  Questions and issues which have been beaten to death on this and just about all other audiophile forums. Frankly, I expect more from a manufacturer of audio products. I expect to learn something new; or, at least, to be caused to ponder a new possibility.

Don’t get me wrong, I am in your camp as concerns the issue of reliance on measurements vs one’s ears, but…….

For whatever it may be worth none of this inspires me to try your products,

As a scientist and engineer, I pay attention to measurements. I have come to believe that with audio, there are audible parameters for which tests have not been devised. For that reason, I often rely on consensus regarding if piece of gear sounds good.

@frogman  I understand your point, however I think most people are missing or not reading my original post. They see measurements and immediately assume, this is pro-measurement versus anti-measurement. Nothing could be further from the point of this post. My question is straightforward, do audiophiles who pay attention to everything, measurements, and what they hear, as well as considering products like cables, isolation for mechanical vibration, expensive digital to analog converter‘s, lots of things for which we hear a difference, but for which there is not strong correlation to measurement, do such audiophiles get better sound than those who only pay attention to measurements, and disregard everything else? That’s the point of this conversation.

@noske *G*  I didn't 'see' it as a 'political' stance or statement, fortunately...;)

The 'liberal arts' seem to connotate pot-smokers that wine and discuss art issues and whether or not there's a connection to the disruption of basic human response to blah blah ad nauseum.....whereas conservativism is an abalone that can't be pried off the rock of the industrial/defense establishment with anything short of a crowbar.....which is what one needs to do so in reality, but one still has to surprise the little mollusk to do so.....and that sort of thing....🤨🤪

Meanwhile, I'm on the highway wondering if the guy on his cell in the Beemer is really aware I'm next to him @ 73 in a 55....;)

I don't, and won't, hold against Anyone that dropped more on his/her cart on the tonearm then what I've spent on my entire 'system', although the qualities and  response of same we can 'discuss' into the next decade....and still not come to an agreement as to it's relevance vs. SOTA...

I'm DIY'ing Walsh speakers....I don't expect Perfection beyond my own hopes and expectations....  The fact that they 'play' at all is a hit; that they respond reasonably well per the analysis means I've got to apply is better yet...*s*

...to my ears, and the grey gook between them.

For the time being, that's a cheap form of nirvana, and not just the group. *G*

For this mortal, that's 'what it's about'....Please Yourself First, defend if you must.
Most may not ever even consider the choices and effort you've applied in the pursuit of your goals in audiophilia...which is typical.  We all tend to wear our own version of blinders that focus upon our own passions... 

Things 'audio, and the pursuits of' are so highly personal that the discussion of such is fraught with preference to one's own reference that unless one can experience the other's situation IRL...
I'm flat out amazed on occasion that we attempt to do so, and remain relatively civil about it....;)

@jonwolfpell ...or one is trying to measure that which is not able to be quantifiable....?  Exotic cables measured by means N/A to the average person but to the not so average 'phile, speaker cable 'lifts' I can 'spoof' with 2x4 'drops'...which I may or not be able to discern under my circumstances either...

The esoterica gets a bit much to comprehend....where does the rabbit hole end, if at all.... 

@ted-denny, regarding your question as framed above, audio reproduction is so complex that it makes sense to consider as many variables as possible. Personally, I draw the line at stuff for which I can see no scientific rationale  - and which consequently can't be measurably quantified. Things for which there is an imperfect correlation between measurement and perception, I have no issue with at all. After all, measurements can only be as accurate as the inherent level of accuracy of the measuring device.