Which Tweeter preferred- dome natural material, Beryllium/Metal or Planar Ribbon? Why?


This is bugging me. Just as I think I have the

right answer it slips through my fingers. 

 

Let's not consider cost in this opinion poll.

 

For example-

Pick one of the types of tweeters

Choice- Planar Ribbon

Reason-Low moving mass and larger surface area vs domes.

 

Everyone should have an opinion here unless they are relatively new to the game.

Lets see if we all learn something new!

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[please excuse my poor English]

IMHO, the AMT (Air Motion Transformer) technology is unquestionably the best of all (when the manufacturer makes it right).

"AMT Air Motion Transformer" is an Oscar Heil patent, now in the public domain. But its quality indeed depends of the implementation that the manufacturer made of the patent. Some cheap AMT tweeters, made in China, weight 660gr and have an uneven frequency response. Other AMT tweeters are made by Mundorf (for instance), weight 1,8Kg, are very linear (and cost more than €1000/piece !!!). So, huge variations here, of course. As with ribbon.

But all technologies confounded, if you take the best of each one, the AMT wins hands down. I attend live acoustic performances, and I wish that my gear to sound like "the real thing". I did not dare to say to Peter Mc Graath (Wilson), while demonstrating a pair of Wilson Alexandria, that I heard just before a better right hand on the piano with an excellent AMT tweeter, powered by Gamut amplification. But I did dare to tell him that such great speakers as Wilsons fully deserved something better than those "nasty" tioxyd titane inverted dome made by Focal (that Wilson used at the time). Luckily, they stopped using them afterwards.

One brilliant use of AMT tweeter is for instance made by French speaker Jean-Marie Reynaud (JMR) Voce Grande ($9000 approx.). Please note that I am NOT French, neither have I any affiliation with JMR! The point is that I recently listen to them twice, and, for the price, I am gobsmacked. I know very few speaker that deliver such a value for the money, if you like speakers that sound very open, and non-fatiguing. And the AMT transducer used plays a big role here. I do not know the origin of the tweeter used in this case, but it is an extremely long model, made of one piece, which covers 1200hz-30000Hz.

 

Of course, like everyone here, I heard and know very well: soft domes, ribbon (I own a pair of true-ribbon planar ribbon speaker), beryllium, diamond, etc.

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One member said previously:

Tweeter type does not matter. //I respectfully, but emphatically disagree: Yes, it does matter, definitely.

 

 

 

I think many of us have lost hearing in the high frequency ranges.  Depending on the level of hearing loss, some choose brighter tweeters to hear some of the higher frequencies they have lost.  Perhaps, this is why there is such a variety of speaker using different tweeters.  It also depends on the kind of music you listen.  Perhaps, it would be interesting to know what speakers produce the best balanced and neutral sound.  If you listen to classical or operas you are going to want to hear the artist more.

The ESS AMT will shine when played using a high current solid state amp, but they don't do nearly as well on tubes.

In these videos, I went to extremes to match the volumes and the Vanessa track is within 0.1 dB while the SRV track is within 0.5 dB, both in favor of the Melton.  Everything else is held constant.

Vanessa on solid state:

https://youtu.be/HTxZJBoOywM 

 

Vanessa on tubes:

https://youtu.be/FDIu2BFbt-Q

 

Stevie on solid state:

https://youtu.be/W66SQS1wDUA

 

Stevie on tubes:

https://youtu.be/ZxhDJ_eOlYw

The ESS AMT will shine when played using a high current solid state amp, but they don't do nearly as well on tubes.

That's not my experience.  I heard them on a 12 watt SET amp and they were fantastic.  So much so that I purchased a pair of ESS and plan on using them on my DIY speakers.  

The time I heard them on a SS state amp they weren't nearly as impressive.  I'll admit completely different venue, music and presentation. 

Which is why you need to INSTANTANEOUSLY A/B them with everything else being IDENTICAL as I allowed for.  Did you watch the videos?

 

Maybe a different tube amp would have a different outcome, but others on another forum also find this to be true.