Blind Shoot-out in San Diego -- 5 CD Players


On Saturday, February 24, a few members of the San Diego, Los Angeles and Palm Springs audio communities conducted a blind shoot-out at the home of one of the members of the San Diego Music and Audio Guild. The five CD Players selected for evaluation were: 1) a Resolution Audio Opus 21 (modified by Great Northern Sound), 2) the dcs standalone player, 3) a Meridian 808 Signature, 4) a EMM Labs Signature configuration (CDSD/DCC2 combo), and 5) an APL NWO 2.5T (the 2.5T is a 2.5 featuring a redesigned tube output stage and other improvements).

The ground rules for the shoot-out specified that two randomly draw players would be compared head-to-head, and the winner would then be compared against the next randomly drawn player, until only one unit survived (the so-called King-of-the-Hill method). One of our most knowledgeable members would set up each of the two competing pairs behind a curtain, adjust for volume, etc. and would not participate in the voting. Alex Peychev was the only manufacturer present, and he agreed to express no opinion until the completion of the formal process, and he also did not participate in the voting. The five of us who did the voting did so by an immediate and simultaneous show of hands after each pairing after each selection. Two pieces of well-recorded classical music on Red Book CDs were chosen because they offered a range of instrumental and vocal sonic charactistics. And since each participant voted for each piece separately, there was a total of 10 votes up for grabs at each head-to-head audition. Finally, although we all took informal notes, there was no attempt at detailed analysis recorded -- just the raw vote tally.

And now for the results:

In pairing number 1, the dcs won handily over the modified Opus 21, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 2, the dcs again came out on top, this time against the Meridian 808, 9 votes to 1.

In pairing number 3, the Meitner Signature was preferred over the dcs, by a closer but consistent margin (we repeated some of the head-to-head tests at the requests of the participants). The vote was 6 to 4.

Finally, in pairing number 5, the APL 2.5T bested the Meitner, 7 votes to 3.

In the interest of configuration consistance, all these auditions involved the use of a power regenerator supplying power to each of the players and involved going through a pre-amp.

This concluded the blind portion of the shoot-out. All expressed the view that the comparisons had been fairly conducted, and that even though one of the comparisons was close, the rankings overall represented a true consensus of the group's feelings.

Thereafter, without the use blind listening, we tried certain variations at the request of various of the particiapans. These involved the Meitner and the APL units exclusively, and may be summarized as follows:

First, when the APL 2.5T was removed from the power regenerator and plugged into the wall, its performance improved significantly. (Alex attributed this to the fact that the 2.5T features a linear power supply). When the Meitner unit(which utilizes a switching power supply) was plugged into the wall, its sonics deteriorated, and so it was restored to the power regenerator.

Second, when we auditioned a limited number of SACDs, the performance on both units was even better, but the improvement on the APL was unanimously felt to be dramatic.
The group concluded we had just experienced "an SACD blowout".

The above concludes the agreed-to results on the blind shoot-out. What follows is an overview of my own personal assessment of the qualitative differences I observed in the top three performers.

First of all the dcs and the Meitner are both clearly state of the art players. That the dcs scored as well as it did in its standalone implementation is in my opinion very significant. And for those of us who have auditioned prior implementations of the Meitner in previous shoot-outs, this unit is truly at the top of its game, and although it was close, had the edge on the dcs. Both the dcs and the Meitner showed all the traits one would expect on a Class A player -- excellent tonality, imaging, soundstaging, bass extension, transparency, resolution, delineation, etc.

But from my point of view, the APL 2.5T had all of the above, plus two deminsions that I feel make it truly unique. First of all, the life-like quality of the tonality across the spectrum was spot-on on all forms of instruments and voice. An second, and more difficult to describe, I had the uncany feeling that I was in the presence of real music -- lots or "air", spatial cues, etc. that simply add up to a sense of realism that I have never experienced before. When I closed my eyes, I truly felt that I was in the room with live music. What can I say.

Obviously, I invite others of the participants to express their views on-line.

Pete

petewatt
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Guidocorona, you have the right to your opinion and so do I. Your patronizing posting is noted -- my goal is "commendable" -- and your sarcasm is noted as well -- "magisterial knowledge on the subject". What was the "original intended topic" of this thread that we are supposed to return to? Was the topic not the shoot-out? Are you the thread police telling everyone what they can say and what they cannot say about the shoot-out? If I am mistaken there is a moderator. Let the moderator cut in if he or she thinks it is appropriate to do so. Your role, like mine, is to feel free to express our opinions as long as we are civil about it.

Fplanner2010, you also have the right to your opinion. But you do not speak for everyone here. You speak for yourself and no one else. I never denied that Alex does complete mods -- using the Esoteric transport. You are shadow boxing. And who said I was an "authority" on anything? All I said was I know a lot about how to maximize the performance of the EMM because I have done it -- which you do not "buy" and which you then contradict because you already know about it but you apparently don't want to see it discussed here because EVERYONE already knows about it all. And in your next breath you talk about me being condescending. As a number of EMM threads clearly show everyone does not know all about this.

I disagree with your statement that you've "all been doing" the mods I have done "for years". How do you know what I have been doing? I have only talked about a fraction of what I have done. And how do you know what all EMM owners have been doing "for years"? Are you a mind reader? Do YOU own an EMM? Have YOU "been doing" EMM mods for years? If so, have you added the Synergistic Research PowerCell 10SE to your system? And have you changed the fuse in your EMM to the Furutech T2A green from Japan? And have you installed MiGs under your EMM? And have you added Harmonix SYN-100 footers to the top of your EMM? You claim to have been doing all this for years along with everyone else so a straight answer to my question would be appreciated.

The contemptuous tone of your posting is noted. If you are tired of reading my postings then, with all due respect, go away and read something else. Who is forcing you to read my postings? You label my postings as "insulting" when they are not at all insulting. They challenge the set-up of the shoot-out in a very direct and pointed way, to be sure, but they do so in a polite and civil way. You choose to dismiss the content of my postings by simply brushing off their content. And you talk, once again, about my comments not being "good PR for EMM". Ahhh, there's nothing like a red herring. I don't work for EMM and I don't have to answer to you about what you think would or would not be good for EMM. EMM can speak for themselves like many other makers who speak out on these forums.

Who says "None of us really care about your claimed "mods""? Have you been on the phone with all the EMM owners who read this thread to find out who cares and who does not? It certainly sounds like it. If so, where did you get everyone's phone number from? If you have not actually talked with everyone then I imagine you must be a mind-reader. But you must have missed a few minds because you cannot be speaking for those who have already emailed me asking what mods I have done and where they can get hold of some of them. Or are you just trying to railroad me off this thread? Ahhh, I think the question contains the answer. Someone has to have the last word? I assume you mean that it should be you and Guidocorona.

The important thing here has been not only the content of my discussion but the fact that you are both trying to bypass that content as though it has no value for anyone. Instead you choose to attack the messenger -- an age-old tactic that has reared its little head here. What has also been revealed here is the clear bias of certain posters to this thread and the clear bias of the shoot-out. This discussion has revealed many interesting things.

Those who are interested in what I have done with my EMM and who don't want to get involved in this discussion -- which is not hard to understand -- can continue to email me even though it has been formally declared here that no one really cares. Of course, this presumptuous statement is untrue since it has been contradicted by the emails I have already received. If it were true that no one really cares it would be a sad commentary on those who actually own the EMM. Fortunately, it is not true. There are many out there who care, and who care a lot, because they care about having beautiful music in their home. That's the bottom line.
lets talk pizza. i don't like pizza with any sp[ice.

i make pizza myself. i use a dough i buy in a pizza place--whole wheat or the usual white-flour-based dough, freshly cut tomatoes and fresh chees. that's it.

so, here again, consensus means nothing, what is popular and favored by people based upon flavor is realyy a matter of taste.

when making pizza, egg plant parm, or chicken parm, no breading and no spices.

one new years several years ago i prepared three pizzas for a new year's eve dinner. one of the attendees thought it was the best pie she ever tasted.

that was her opinion.

my point, greatness applied to subjective phenomenon is in the eye, ear, or taste buds of a person.

as to the experiemental design that is another point.

shoot outs are irrelevant, audition in one's own system is relevant.

there is always some unknown component which may be of more interest than those which are known and compared.

there are many small companies which fabricate interesting products which are known to very few people.
Sabai, as my gentle chiding and humor does not appear to be effective, let me spell it out to you.... Your Messianic/Obsessive/combative posts are being perceived to be OT and disruptive...

Yet, please feel free to continue until such time that your overvigorous posting is moderated to a screetching halt in the most Kafkian of ways by the unseen entities behind the Audiogonic corporate veil.

Regards, G.
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