How to choose an upgraded tonearm.


In two recent threads on selecting an upgraded cartridge, some of you suggested a new tonearm was in order. Since I’ve never chosen a new tonearm, I’m asking you all for some advice on how to do so for that future event.

My current turntable is a VPI Classic 2 with a VPI JMW 10.5i unipivot tonearm. A new Lyra Kleos MC cartridge is on order. I’ll likely be changing to a gimbal style tonearm. The rest of the system is Magico A3 speakers, a Luxman 507uX MkII integrated amp, a Marants Ruby CD player, and a Shunyata Hydra Denali power conditioner.

What price range should an appropriate tonearm for the Lyra Kleos be in, that would also be in keeping with the price point of my Classic 2, The Classic 2 was in the $3-4,000 range, as is the Lyra Kleos. I’ll be purchasing new, not used, and will not be upgrading any other equipment than the tonearm.

Pardon some rookie questions, but what attributes should I be looking for in a quality tonearm? Who are some of the better known manufacturers, and which models of theirs might be workable? Are there other alternative to either a gimbal or unipvot tonearm? Are tonearms generally interchangeable between different manufacturers turntables? And what improvements in sound quality might be gained by upgrading my tonearm?

Since this is all new to me, any other advice you might have about things to consider would be greatly appreciated and will help kick off my research. Thanks,

Mike

skyscraper

@skyscraper Good Luck with your investigations into the options to experience new equipment within your system.

From your posts I sense you are a individual who has a background of thoroughly enjoying your encounters with music through the methods that you have chosen to participate in it. Maybe a Live Music Experience or a bit of R&R in front of the Home System.

Myself today, I share in the above history and even more crazily I treasure the moments sitting with my wife listening to her Alexia and her calling music up from our past, this as an activity that can be at certain times the bulk of my music encounters along with the Vehicles Radio.

Enjoying music and enjoying Hi Fidelity can easily become parallel universes.

There is another side to building a HiFi System that can create a side line interest, the interest is one that develops in not too many, and the development can quite easily manifest in some as an obsessional behaviour where the individual can become very insular and lose sight of the enjoying the music, it is all analysis, analysis, analysis.

My own history has been to go over the cliff with the obsession overloading the mind, but I have for many years walked free from it.

Wearing the weight of obsession, takes myself too far from the term for an Audiophile that I will happily label myself with, ’being an individual that has a healthy want to enjoy music’.

While reading through your thread, I sense you have not developed an obsession with equipment, and the interest arose to build up a little more understanding about working with an Interface within your Vinyl Replay Set Up, which was met with descriptions that were new and proving to be a further stimulation to your present interest.

I think it is safe to suggest we are very similar in our approaches to our own systems, even though the experiences encountered are in a different quantity between us.

A large proportion of my time in the recent past has been working with the interfaces that are present within the system.

Mounting Methods, for the Overall Systems Devices and Mounting Methods for singular devices such as a Chassis to a Plinth Material and a Tonearm to a Plinth Material or Tonearm Base Material, add to that Head Shell Materials and Platter Mat Materials.

There is a lot of Pro’s and Con’s to be discovered when trying out materials and devices within a system, but as described previously, there are differences that can be detected and some are preferred to to be kept, but I do not believe any one makes the music less enjoyable.

Putting this into context, I have an LP I have owned for nearly 40 Years, the first time I listened to this Album was using a TT that was worth very little money, and was all things a TT should not really be, but I loved every minute of the replays and have kept the LP close.

When listening to the LP throughout the years and today on a equipment totally correct for the replay of a LP, the enjoyment factor of listening to the LP has never  increased, the change is, the satisfaction with the equipment being used, this has increased substantially.  

The other side to interfaces is the Electrical side of the equation, Power, Phono RCA and Speaker Cable Types. Cable Plugs and Tube Rolling.

These are all able to participated in with a minimal user input, and can be achieved through a frugal or substantial outlay or even loaned for the items to be tried, and through all the above experiences being encountered the need has not arose to change owned Electronic equipment used in the system for many years.

I do have a social outlet as well, and I do get great pleasure out of introducing others to some of the items I have acquired that I feel has been able to make a impression, or not.

It is quite interesting to discover a ’or not’ for one system can be a most attractive when used in a new system and new environment.

I am sure your ongoing investigation will be fruitful and will bring you into the company of others that understand your intentions, and share with you encouragement.

To add further curiosity to your interest, I have PM’d you a link to a Web Site that might prove to be an enjoyable read.

 

 

Dear @mijostyn  : Yes the SOTA is very good plattform for tonearms. The Rega RP-10 advantage is not only that  for its quality level performance could be really a " bargain " item but that already was tested with Lyra cartridges with success.

Anyway, looks as the op wants to stays sticky to the Classic, to each his own. Nothing wrong with that.

 

R.

Than you Pindac for your interest and the link you have PMed. Some folks here, like you , have progressed father into this field than I’m ever likely to. Be that as it may, it’s a complicated hobby to enjoy, but not yet an avocation.. I’ll never reach the skill or knowledge level of some of the respondents here, but there’s no reason to have to. It is a joy though to be able to appreciate the knowledge you all so graciously share. Like equipment reviews their shared knowledge gets over my head at times, but no matter, I sort it out best I can to make better informed decisions.

Mike, check out my current thread on Fatboys, Thanks. No new turntables for me though, unless they are presents or I win the lottery. You and your compatriots have already done more than enough on the new purchase front. convincing me to purchase a Lyra Kleos, and now maybe a new tonearm. You’ll not squeeze a new turntable out of me. Take it easy,

Mike

Mijo, I apologize for being pedantic, but you wrote, "Yes, he is increasing the VTA when he does that but that is not what is causing the wow. Thanx for watching the video. I think you agree that it is an excellent primer."

I do agree the video is instructive. Not flawless from a science point of view, but useful nevertheless. But when you increase VTA such that the headshell is no longer parallel to the LP surface, especially by the extent that he does in the video, you do increase warp wow for only that reason, even if the pivot point does lie in the plane of the LP surface.  Think about it.  It's just worse if also the pivot point is high.

Raul, you’re no doubt absolutely correct that a new platform may be the best way to go and would facilitate purchasing a higher quality or more economical tonearm to go with the Lyra Kleos. But you and Mijostyn are in the big leagues with this kind of thing and aren’t phased by dealing with things like that, whereas I’m only in the minor leagues. As such, I think I’ve a greater chance of achieving some success within my capabilities, by following the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) model by way of a possible simple VPI Fatboy retrofit on the existing platform.

Mike