DIY TT


I am looking at the Denon DP-3000, which appears like it might be able to slide out and mount into a homemade base?

Basically I am looking for a dual arm setup.

Also my existing TT only takes 1 arm, and it is limited in which arms lengths it can support. 

Or are there other drive units which might be better suited to such a scheme?

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There are probably 100's of Thousands of TT users of which a Large Proportion are types who do not know much of anything about TT's, apart from the need to level one, and have a Tonearm > Cartridge set to a particular geometry.

These types will I assume all be quite adept at replaying vinyl and useful disciplines to be maintained.

Within such a group a smaller proportion 'might' care to know a little more about their TT's such as the design for speed stability, torque, and the correct matching of Tonearm > Cartridge and maybe even consider the correct loading requirements for a Cartridge.

Within the smaller proportion there are a much smaller proportion and very rare type, that obsess in a manner that is a Polar Opposite and even does not seem to have any interest in taking part in the enjoyment of replaying music.

The whole attention is appearing to be focusing only on the the mechanics and electronics and not at any time reflect that the ownership of a HiFi System is basically about replaying music recordings and enjoying the moment.

I have travelled to meet many like minded individuals and throughout the years, during this time, I have encountered what is in my assessment the odd obsessional type, and I have found it to be best practice not to engage to much, as the fun of the days events can easily be obscured by excessive laborious Tech Talk.


The OP has requested that options on TT's are suggested and is working their way through the ones that has been offered.

There are quite a few things been made known, in relation to Plinth Materials to be used for a Design, along with the best configuration on the Plinth for the Tonearm Lengths to be considered.

Designing a Plinth for Two Tonearms is desired and if the Plinth Design was able to support a Longer Tonearm, that would be a future proofing consideration that can be incorporated.  

An alternative if the Plinth Design was not wanted to have a provision to mount a 12" arm or longer would be to use an ancillary that would enable this at a later date. 

The link will show a very recent thread that has discussed ancillary Tonearm Mounting devices, and give the OP a broader insight to how others, including contributors to this thread are expressing their thoughts on the use of such an item

 

I am sure that the OP's good judgement will help them make a choice for TT that produces a replay that is extremely satisfying, even if the TT has a 9",  12" Arm or longer and the performance is 0.025% rumble - 78dB - torque 1.5 kg.cm and not   0.015%, rumble -92dB torque 6.0 kg.cm.

It does seem from the overall input from the OP, they are keen to own a TT, that has a little creativity from their end contributed to the final assembly.

I am yet to see any concern from them for Microns, rumble and Torque available from a Model. 

  If the OP has been considering the Manufacturers Design Intent for a TT of interest.

The following has been supplied by Juergen, who is in  my view a trusted source, and the  Source of other info offered within this thread.   

I think the info' clearly explains a enjoyable experience can be had when replaying LP's and a Tonearm of choice can be added, as long as it is off a certain length.  

Source: Toshiba brochure from the 70s.

Toshiba STUDIO RECORD PLAYER SR-510

1. Direct drive

2. Electronically controlled servo motor

3.2 speed control

4. Sensor switching

5. Spot spirit level

6. Interchangeable tonearm

7. Preamplifier for electret condenser systems

1. Direct drive

Advantage:

In contrast to the previously known drive systems (friction wheel or belt), the axis of the turntable is one unit with the axis of the rotating part of the motor (rotor) in this studio turntable.

That means:

1. The rumbling noises that occur with this drive system are so low that they are well into the inaudible range.

2. Due to the direct power transmission, any slip is excluded; one reason for the exact adherence to the target speed.

3. The ramp-up time, in which the drive gets from standstill to the target speed, is within half a revolution.

2. Electronically controlled servo motor

Advantage:

The voltage level for the motor of the loudspeaker is constantly kept at the desired value by a photoelectrically generated control voltage.

That means:

Any deviation from the target speed is continuously compensated, the synchronization accuracy is better than 1/30,000.

3. Dual speed control

Advantage 1:

The target speed of 33 1/3 or 45 rpm can be roughly checked by means of a light display - too fast, normal, too slow.

Advantage 2:

There is a fine adjuster for each target speed, which can be used to adjust the indicator light (too fast or too slow) within a range of ±4%. The completely exact setting of the target speed is then carried out using the same fine adjusters with the help of an illuminated stroboscope.

That means:

With this ease of use, precise adjustment of the turntable speed has become possible for everyone; without additional measuring devices and also during operation.

4. Sensor switching

Advantage:

Turntable speed is switched by sensors. That means:

Sensors switch electronically without the application of mechanical force, ie only by briefly touching them. As a result, this process is completely free of cracking noises and vibrations.

5. Spot spirit level

Advantage:

A spot spirit level is installed in the housing of the drive, which enables precise sounding during installation with the help of the four spring-loaded and height-adjustable feet.

That means:

Uneven installation surfaces can be compensated with this device.

6. Interchangeable tonearm

Advantage:

The turntable and tonearm were mounted separately in the frame and have no other mechanical connection to each other.

That means:

The S-shaped tubular tonearm of the device with hydraulic tonearm lift and international tone head attachment can be easily exchanged for any other commercially available tonearm. 7. Preamplifier for electret condenser systems Advantage:

As a further component of the drive, a switchable equalizer preamplifier for electret condenser systems is already permanently installed.

That means:

The drive can be operated with both magnetic and electret condenser systems (e.g. Toshiba C-404 SY) without further upgrades.

Technical specifications

Drive: Type of drive: direct Motor: electrically controlled AC servo motor

Speeds: 33'/s, 45 rpm Speed ​​deviations: ±0 Speed ​​control range: ±4% Wow and flutter: ±0.03% Signal-to-noise ratio: >60dB

Platter: 300 mm~, 1.2 kg die-cast aluminum Run-up time: within 0.5 revolutions

Tonearm:

Type: statically balanced S tonearm eff. Length: 237mm

Max. tracking error: +1.5', -0.5° Overhang: 15 mm Tape head attachment: internal. '/2 inch Bearing pressure: 0 - 4 p

Tonearm lift: hydraulically damped Pickup system:

(drive can be delivered fully equipped)

Model: C-404SY

Type: Electret condenser Frequency response: 20 - 50,000 Hz Output voltage: 30 mV Channel separation: 25d13 (1 kHz), 15 dB (30 kHz)

Differences in the sensitivity of the channels: 1 dB

Stylus compliance: 15 x 10-` cm/dyne Bearing pressure: 1.5p, ±0.5p Stylus: EXTEND (special elliptical bevel for reading CD-4)

General:

Mains voltage: 110/120/220/240 V, 50/60 Hz

Power consumption: 14W Dimensions: W 550, D 414, H 190 mm Weight: 12.5 kg

Design: rosewood frame, smoke-colored acrylic cover Equipment: 2 cynch cables, 1 ground wire, 1 puck for singles, 1 screwdriver, liquid needle cleaner, velvet brush for cleaning records

 

 

Btw, @holmz  and if you decide to go with today full warranty TT/tonearm then add to look for Acoustic Signature and in wespecial way the Townshend unit that's is an exceptional TT/tonearm at really good price.

In the next link several audiophiles posted in a critical issue: tonearm damping or not. Obviously that the Townshend was in the whole dialogue. I don't know the budget you have about but I'm sure that so many todays very good options some of them will be inside that budget.

Now, the today TT/tonearm comes not only with full operation warranty but anything that could happens with the units you will have the service and support from the manufacturer. Could be an advantage.

R.

 

 

 

Dear @lewm @mijostyn  and friends : Any one of us must have the Townshend experiences it does not matteras which analog rig we have. After do it  our analog world could chage in the way we are accustom to. Try to look for the opportunity to do it.

Here in Agon the audiophile that I know owns for years and in reality has all the information about is @lohanimal  .

 

R.

In the other side here the SP10 specs:

Direct-Drive
Motor : brushless DC
Speed lock : Quartz-Locked phase control
Platter : Ø 32cm / 3kg diecast aluminium
Startup torque : 6kg /cm
Starting time : 0,25s (33 1/3rpm)
Load characteristics : 0% up to 5kg /cm
Speed accuracy : ± 0,002% (10MK2)
 
Wow & flutter : 0,02% WRMS (JIS C5521)
± 0,035% (peak, DIN 45507)
S/N ratio : 86 db  ( DIN-B )

 

Here the Toshiba 510:

Type : AC servo motor
System : Direct-drive
Speeds : 33 1/3rpm
45rpm
Wow & flutter : 0,03% (WRMS)
Pitch control : ± 4%
S/N ratio : 60dB
Platter :

30cm / 1,2kg 

 

I am more inclined towards the 86 dB SNR than the 60 dB.
I put in a low bid for a DQX, which was declined.

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As far as Townsend products, after hearing Einstein go off on non stop rants and personal attacks, I doubt I would consider any of the Townsend equipment… just on general principle (and disgust).

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I have been email Sota for the last 6 months, and I got another last night from Sota. I’ll think the time frames.

@holmz I use a TT with a 86db S/N R, which is the SP10 MkII that has been fully overhauled by an Engineer, who is a recognised  authority on this model of TT in the UK.

This is my go to TT over all my other TT's, for three reasons,

One, being I really enjoy the replays when using it.

Two, a good friend has helped me source it and gave it their special attention on my behalf.

Three, I had an input in to the aesthetic that the chassis has had applied to it.

It was the SP10 MkII Model, when first encountered quite a few years past, that was the encouragement to change from Idler Drives as being my go to TT's.

The idea of leaving Idler Drives in Massey plinths was a wrench, but the DD in a Lightweight Plinth took the mantle. 

It has also been the impression that this TT has made, that has spurred myself on to collect a selection of different Brands of DD TT's, even though these are TOTR Consumer Models and not a Model produced to be used for professional purposes.

Interestingly Juergen also owns the SP10 MkII.

The following is an update on the work he has been undertaking with the TT last year.

I have a range of Platter Mats I use on all my TT's, when you are set up, maybe this can be a side bar inquiry to see if further improvement can be suggested by discussing Mats and the perceived impaction they have on a SQ. 

I'm curious what you report,
I'm also trying out different mats on my SP10 - MKII drive.

For example, the following bronze plate fits exactly into the plate cut-out:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/164682…db0097:g:uxkAAOSw34JgCcv2

I currently have the thick Zanden rubber mat on it

http://www.zandenaudio.com/product/TPM-1.php

which also fits into the plate cut-out.
I had already looked at the OMA, but had not yet been able to try it.
Greeting

Juergen