Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant

I recognize that these claims run counter to everything we know about amp behavior.

Ha! Exactly.

What are we going to believe --spec abstractions or our lying ears?

@tomthiel, While Benchmark’s class leading distortion specs are truly impressive, their use of non-standard standards is curious. One has wonder if the difference between the vanishing low distortion measurement standards of the Benchmark compared to the 1% standard measurements is more academic than of practical use to the consumer. I’d be more impressed if Benchmark would spec in writing their power delivery into load with a reduced distortion criterion, than to avoid addressing whether it can deliver the goods for my application. While I don’t doubt your reporting what you’ve been told, the cynic in me doesn’t buy what they aren’t willing to put in writing.

It has bee quite obvious that Stereophile doesn’t measure amps into 2 Ohms unless the manufacturer specs their amps into 2 Ohms. And even then they often only do the 2 Ohm measurements from one channel, even when a stereo amp shares power supplies between the 2 channels. One might question whether or not Stereophile is more concerned with avoiding embarrassment to potential advertisers than providing useful guidance to its subscribers? And if manufactures spec their gear in such a way as to avoid the exposure?

That the Benchmark uses what appears to be a rugged protection circuitry is nice in that it prevents an over stretched Benchmark from causing further damage down the line. Some manufacturers go out of their way by over building their gear to eschew protection circuitry because they believe the use of which has negative sonic characteristics. To be fair the Benchmark’s exemplary noise and distortion measurements might put that argument to rest. Still, I wouldn’t want my automobile or even my washing machine to shut down because it was overstressed, and given the choice after sitting down for a nice recreational listening session, I’d prefer to be able to avoid protection saving shutting down altogether if possible.

The Benchmark comes in at the minimum suggested 100 Watts per channel power rating at 8 Ohms for many Thiels, and struggles to keep up below that 8 Ohm rating, there is no extra power to start with to offer some wiggle room below. A Benchmark could be generously compared to an 80 Watt per channel amplifier that could truly double down. And as we know how the sensitivity decreases with impedance, I don’t think that’s an unfair comparison. The above is regard to it’s stereo performance. In bridged mono mode the Benchmark might be excellent for insensitive speakers with a high impedance load, but as spec’d doesn’t appear at all appropriate for low impedance speakers. The price for the Benchmark for it’s performance within it’s limitations is favorable, but for the similar money there  are other options that might be better suited for some Thiels.

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@unsound - thank you again. I hear you and am eager to hear about other options. I came to Benchmark via recommendations from high-end recording folks, tried it and like it. I can't explain how or why it outperforms its expectations.

I did connect a dot or two around the power spec idiosyncrasy. Due to its feed-forward error correction topology, the amp simply can't function beyond the limits of that brick wall. It can't be rated at 1% distortion because it can't produce power with 1% distortion. 

Regarding protection: I learned that the flickering lights are merely warnings, not actual activation. That’s why ’it’ sounds so transparent - it’s not actually going into protection.

If protection is activated, a restart is required. That's happened twice, once by intentionally pushing it hard and the other time due to a cable short-circuit, where I was glad to have it.

 

@tomthiel, I was suggesting that if the Benchmark’s are capable of delivering power into lower impedances that they rate their amplifiers into such impedances with what ever distortion level they choose so long as it doesn’t exceed 1%.. If the distortions levels are lower; kudos.

While flickering is better than shutting down, such flickering suggesting pending overload doesn’t exactly lend itself to a relaxed listening session.

In the mean time, for those that are enjoying their Benchmark’s on their Thiels, carry on, enjoy! For those on the fence about such a pairing, please consider the limitations and options.