12x7 tubes


I own a black ice audio dac that is connected to my CD player.Need advice on what 12x7 would be the best fit looking at Tungsram 12x7 and a GE 12x7 1950 long plate.My taste of music is classic rock and blues.

bigmac1963

It is senseless to talk about good and bad vacuum tubes without knowing the "house" sound of each brand which can vary according to production periods. If a tube seller doesnt ask specific details about your components as well question you regarding the desired sonic results they are doing you a disservice. Find someone that knows tubes as well as components and is more interested in finding out about you as a hobbyist than selling you what he has in stock. 

These forums are a great source of information, but avoid comments like you are fine with any such and such a 12AX7 and specify JAN tubes as being sonically different than civilian made tubes. Usually JAN tubes are the exact same internally as are the civilian versions. I think tubes made for medical devices or organs and perhaps other equipment have a better chance of sounding better than tubes for the military. Many comment on the quality of NOS or new production tubes with very little tube rolling experience or are rolling in equipment where minute changes cant be heard. Its interesting that some attest to the different sound of tubes but are also doubting or denying the affects of cables or other tweeks.

Every tube seller should tell you is that different tubes in different sections of just about every application do not affect the sound of the component equally even why they are of the same type and from the same mfgr. Whenever retubing a customer's power amp I usually start with the front end and then deal with the power tubes. My experience is that these driver type tubes always affected my tube amps more than changing the big guys.

FWIW: the 2 best more common types of old stock 12AX7s that I like are the Telefunken smooth plate and Holland made Philips Europe 12AX7s. Sometimes I will sell pairs of these to the same client for the same component. Mixing and matching 6SN7 pairs in the Atma-sphere amps is a great way to combine different sounding tubes in the same circuit.

 

NOS Telefunkens sound best, but are pricy. Try anything else to get your amp "on the air."

Tung sol gold pins are often recommended as a good upgrade for that component. I got rid of my black ice dac, had terrible hum issues....I got a border patrol dac, could not be happier.

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Space and military applications required electronics that could operate reliably in extreme environments of high altitude, high acceleration/vibration and even space, where high levels of radiation are present. Incidentally, one of the reasons Russia continued to manufacture tubes was because these thermionic devices are immune to an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), the gamma ray burst that an atomic bomb releases upon exploding—Russian MIG jet fighters were equipped with tube circuitry in their radar systems so that an EMP would not interfere with onboard navigation systems.

Tube reliability was a real and ongoing concern for the US military. You may have seen the initials ‘JAN’ stamped on Philips N.O.S. tubes, which is an acronym for ‘Joint Army Navy’. These are ruggedised tubes manufactured for the military. During world War II the American military initiated a ‘ruggedisation’ program with aim of improving tube reliability in the field. For example, there was concern that delicate electronic comms equipment thrown around in the back of a jeep hurtling along a rock strewn dirt track might not fare too well. To remedy this perceived problem with reliability tubes were designed with shorter, stockier anodes, additional or thicker support micas and a very complex and elaborate tube numbering system evolved along with the numerous revisions of tubes [Getting the Most Out of Vacuum Tubes by Robert B. Tomer pages 72-75]. Reliability of electronics and tubes in military and space applications was of paramount importance.