Inexpensive Good Vintage Turntables?


I'm considering buying a turntable again. I've been without one for going on 10 years. This time around, could you recommend some really good inexpensive models (prefer belt but DD OK, too). And carts (preferably modern) that will work with them? And who are good online sellers of restored models? I know very little about vintage turntables ...

greg7

@lohanimal 

"I think the Roksan and Alvin Golds review of it then the Pink Triangle taught us there was another way. Hi Fi World were the magazine to open our eyes to what we missed out on with its classic section."

 

I used to read Hi-World but not regularly and must have missed that review by the late Alvin Gold. I do recall him having a memorably succinct writing style though.

As for the Pink Triangle, wasn't that surely one of the most unfortunate victims of the power of journalism?

Apparently one review which mentioned speed issues more or less put paid to what might have been the best belt drive turntable of its generation.

Clearthinker, You wrote, "You must be a scientist as, like most of the others, you have not evaluated the causes of environmental damage correctly.  By far the most costly elements of product production and use are the creation and disposal of the product.  So to retain an already extant product in use for a longer period and not replace it with a new one, however environmentally friendly its producer claims it to be, will always trump the production of a new item.  When will scientists understand this very simple fact?" You go on to cite electric cars as a specious example of apparent environmental harmlessness, because, you say, the car has to be thrown away when the battery loses capacity.

I don't know where you got this idea about you vs "scientists".  Any scientist worthy of the name does indeed recognize that the calculation of environmental friendliness or lack thereof is a product of many complex considerations.  As regards electric cars, one of them would certainly be issues you mention.  However, taking Tesla as a prime example, you are incorrect on nearly all your assumptions.  Batteries in the original Tesla autos have a 200,000 mile life expectancy, and at the end of life, they certainly are replaceable by the factory or by any competent local electric vehicle mechanic.  Current Tesla car batteries have a life expectancy of 500,000 miles.  They are also re-cyclable at end of life. Most gasoline engine cars are rusting in the junk yard by or before they've done 200,000 miles. Both types of car can be crushed and recycled, when it comes to that.

There is definitely a place for wood in analog audio.  Wood can be an excellent component of a plinth built for constrained layer damping, in layers with other types of materials. In that application, infinitesimal changes of shape are first of all constrained by other tightly packed layers and second of all not important.  Wood tonearms are perhaps controversial, but I've owned a Reed for about a decade, and it is still straight as an arrow per a laser measurement. (We don't put our tonearms outside in the weather, so concerns about warpage are way overblown in my opinion.)

+1 @cd318 for mentioning Pink Triangle as being the best belt drive of its generation. Not far from it. I have enjoyed that tt very much and was a sheer beauty.

Pity that Arthur stopped improving it after Anniversary.

 

Already mentioned above, the Townshend Audio Rock turntables are like no other. A main feature of the Rock is the employment of a silicon fluid-filled damping trough across the front of the platter, within which rides a "paddle" that is bolted onto the arm’s headshell.

The table is a cult item in the U.S., but was fairly mainstream in the U.K., where it is very highly regarded. The Rock Elite (MK.2) can be found for less than a grand, if you're up for something unique.

@petg60 

I bought/have an Amazon Model one which the uK dealer said was the closest thing to the PT Anniversary. The Funk Firm n came out too late for me - I'd bought the Amazon - that's the closest to a modern version of the anniversary. Arthur went on to make the Funk Firm Saffire. A truly brilliant deck - i heard one and was mesmerised by how inherently 'right' it sounded - very hard to explain.

Alvin Gold wrote for a few magazines if i recall. I recall in the early 90's he got rid of his Sondek and replaced it with the Roksan. Hi Fi Choice magazine were always big fans of Voyd and PT turntables - the problem was that What hifi and HiFi News were in love with the Linn/Naim chain. I very rarely buy HiFi world since Simon Pope left - it went on a loop of: Rega; Origin Live; Michell; Musical ical Fidelity and Garrard. I asked Simon at a show as to why all their reviews are so flattering and he said that in general few new products and shockers - and that manufacturers pay for reviews and want to hear what is said before a review goes out.

Sorry guys I digress - but this is a forum for a bit of fun and banter...