Phono Stage upgrade to complement Dohmann Helix One Mk 2

Dear @drbond : " However, the data can only reveal what we currently measure. I think it’s important to consider that we don’t know enough about sound to know everything to measure or how to measure it fully. "

Yes, data is what we measure. What’s wrong with that? and yes till today does not exist measurement proccess that can tell us how an amp can sound but this fact does not means that today we can diminish measures like in the past like the corrupted AHEE teached to us.

J.Atkinson is not a simple mesurement gentleman he was an analog lover till 10-15 years ago when he learned about and left it, it’s a very well regarded reviewer and it’s one with a lot more honesty than other reviewers ( he can’t recomend the Hyperions when MF did it. What a difference ! ! ! ) and it’s a recording engineer.

It’s ovbious that any gentleman that spends 90K+ in an audio item be at defensive attitude against facts with not very good quality design in that audio item.

But this is not only about measurements but about common sense. Ypsilon likes transformers and almost all is transformer coupled and that fact means that the audio signal travel for those " hundreds " of meters of transformers wires that certainly damage that audio signal and I said common sense because almost a rule is that we connect the tonearm to the phono stage input with the shorter IC cable to let at minimum degradation signal issues and here we are speaking of 1m. now imagine if the audio signal must travel over " hundred " of wire meters. Higher distortions that you like and is fine with me.

Common sense tells not spend high K $$$ to achieve top quality level in the cartridge signal only for that valuable cartridge signal be destroyed in the next system links. That’s all and is up to you because in this thread all gentlemans already gave you a lot of choices many of them with out that " common sense ".

Btw, FR on the Hyperion against load speaker impedance . This is a fact not imagination or subjective:

Anyway, enough.

R.

Fremer is listening without measuring. Atkinson is measuring without critical listening. Thus they offer two entirely different perspectives. The reader needs to make up his own mind based on the total information.

This sidebar has nothing to do with phono stages.

This is not the only example where a reviewer speaks wonders on an audio item and measurements says NO it’s not true.

I remember that years ago that same magazyne and same gentlemans made the review/measurements of the over 60K Vitus phono stage and the reviewer said that the unit had really good and tigth low bass but that unit ( if I remmeber ) design use the IEC RIAA eq. that makes that from around 50hz the bass goes very quich down/fall. There are more examples/facts.

Measures can tell us a lot of things on any audio electronics items IF we are willing to accept it. That IF is the big problem for we audiophiles/MUSIC lovers.

R.

lewm, certainly it has to do with phono stage because this unit will be inserted in an audio system. You confirm what I said: no common sense to help OP in this thread or any other thread. As you are accusto to: always argumentative. No problem.

In one of the last theads in this forum the OP ask for advise to change his cartridge and his budget was 2K-3K.

Well, the very first post was from a gentleman with common sense trying to help the OP:

" You would be better off buying a better quality phono stage first................."

Followed by other two audiophiles with a +1.  This is what I'm talking about: HELP other people.

R.

Since you are the sole repository of "common sense", in your opinion, and since your opinions are all over this thread, why would you say there is no common sense here?

I shouldn't bother to respond, but I cannot resist pointing out that I said nothing, zero, in support of or in criticism of the Hyperion amplifiers, because I did admit from the beginning that I had never heard a pair, much less even seen a pair.  I didn't even know whether they were solid state or tube based until now.  I have heard a Ypsilon phono stage in my neighbor's system with which I was very familiar, and it was stellar in that context.  Drawbacks are that it provides only 39db of phono gain and so far as I know has only one pair of inputs.

I did compare the JC1s to my Atma-sphere amplifiers because I briefly owed a pair of JC1s and have always owned the Atma-sphere amps, it seems.  And I compared them on my home system. My question to Mijostyn about the context in which he made a comparison of the JC1 to the Hyperion is a perfectly valid one, and it's a question of the kind you often ask as well, when someone offers an opinion on a cartridge.  In fact, for anyone to say "I like A better than B" without giving some context is worthless. Mijostyn was kind enough to respond to the question; your judgement of the quality of my question (argumentative) was uncalled for. I wasn't addressing you.