What trans (SUT) for a Victor mc-5E cartridge?


Hello,

I have this cartridge (and this is my first experience with mc cart, I have never had any before) and I have a good MM amplifier
so I am looking for a step up transformer for this cart.
(https://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/etc/mc-5e.html)
It is said to be 30ohn cart. What should I get or look for in order
to get a proper match? I am looking at
1-denon au-340 (Though I can see there 40 ohm indication. Is it a big difference, incompatible? )
2-Fidelity Research FRT-4
3-Entre ET-100-2 I dont know the characteristics , will it suit or not?

4-Denon au-s1 but I dont know the characteristics either

But maybe there is smth much better for this cart? What would you suggest? Thank you
Serge

serge8

Because MM phono stages vary quite a bit in the amount of phono gain they provide, from 39db for the Ypsilon to 50db for the Manley Steelhead, just to name two extreme examples. Then there is the fact that the OP wants to amplify a cartridge that puts out 0.2mV and has an internal resistance of 30 ohms. Those two parameters suggest he is limited to a SUT that provides 10X gain, a 1:10 turns ratio, IF one wants to observe the rule of thumb that says the phono input impedance should be 10X or better in value than the internal resistance of the cartridge. Assuming a 47K phono load resistor, a 1:10 SUT will have the cartridge seeing a 470 ohm load. That’s fine, but as soon as you go to higher gain SUTs (higher turns ratios), the impedance seen by the cartridge will fall way below the ideal, in terms of its ability to drive the phono input. For example, a 1:20 SUT will give a load of slightly more than 100 ohms. A 30-ohm output Z is driving a ~100 ohm input Z. In that case you need enough gain to overcome the fraction of cartridge output that will be lost to ground, because of the relative impedance mismatch. So, in short, seems to me you want an MM phono stage with relatively high gain, as MM stages go, because ideally you don’t want to have to use a SUT with much more than a 1:10 turns ratio. Of course, the OP needs to take into account the additional gain of his linestage, as well, which could ameliorate the potential problem.

I should finally make clear that there is nothing magical about the 1:10 output to input impedance ratio. The fraction of signal voltage that is lost to ground increases linearly as the ratio gets closer to 1:1. Even the 1:10 ratio does not result in perfect efficiency; signal voltage transfer is a bit better than 90% at that ratio.

Once one knows the phono gain and the linestage gain, and perhaps the input sensitivity of the amplifiers, then one can decide whether a 1:10 SUT would be sufficient.

lewm: The Denon 340 and Entré 100-2 comes with  3 different gain/ratio  and impedance choices. There is no problem as you posted.

 

I think the OP is looking for help  and those two SUTs have the solution/answer to him and his cartridge that over time I'm sure it won't be his first and last LOMC cartridge. Don't you think?

 

R.

Dear Raul, please reread my post. Transformers have no impedance per se. My point is that with the peculiar nature of this cartridge, having a low output and a high internal resistance, the choices of gain ratio are limited to around 1 to 10 or may be a little higher, if one wants to observe the rule of thumb about impedance matching. Of course, one is always free to ignore that principle. But if you choose to use a higher gain ratio transformer, then you will be wasting some of the already very low cartridge output. It’s like chasing your tail.

Which is why it would be useful to know what phono and linestage the OP uses.

I just checked the specifications of the Denon AU 340 transformer. I agree it would be a good choice for the OP, if he will have enough total gain with just a 1 to 10 step up ratio. Using the 40 ohm inputs of the transformer, a gain ratio of 1 to 10 is provided. The designer of the transformer was accounting for the fact that most phono stages present a 47K ohm load, and the resulting 470 ohm impedance will be fine for a 40 ohm cartridge, or a 30 ohm cartridge such as the one owned by the OP. So there is nothing about this that is different from what I have been saying. If he had a 3 ohm internal impedance cartridge, the transformer can provide a 1 to 33 gain ratio. Bur the 3 ohm inputs should obviously not be used with his cartridge because the 1:33 turns ratio results in a less than 47 ohm impedance for his 30 ohm cartridge. In that scenario about half the cartridge output is lost to ground and for other reasons there would be loss of treble.

lewm : " Which is why it would be useful to know what phono and linestage ""

 

No, the problem is that usually you really did not read the OP thread or even make not a minimum search of the SUT's OP named or whatever OP threads.

Not doing that job only " distress " a MC newcomer with out necessity .

Anyway, the OP is safe with those SUT's no matters what.

 

R.