while counting angels on heads of pins has it’s advantages, musical expression is a bit more complicated than that. nothing wrong with being a great tool for investigation, but does it satisfy? not saying it does not, although i get mixed feedback on that part.

not lived with it myself, so i cannot say.

 

In Munich he told me that with the SAT he would hear the "faults" of the cartridges and not the tonearm, which is very important for the development and tuning of his cartridges.

dover

We have many posters here on audiogon who are experts on products they have never heard. They usually resort to scientific arguments - but of course they forget that scientific research and discovery should include both theory and practise (testing). I call it the new science, in the old days they would have called it speculation ...

Oh yes, there are a few users here who fit your description, @dover. Oddly, those users seem to seek recognition as experts or gurus and they can become quite combative if questioned.

One thing I learned long ago on my high end journey: You can’t be certain how something sounds - for better or worse - by merely reading a spec sheet or looking at a photo. Our hobby isn’t that simple.

To comment on the observable design and construction of a tonearm without necessarily speculating on its putative sonic character is no sin. If it is, we cannot have a conversation, since there are very few products, let alone tonearms we’ve all heard. And even in the case where we do share listening experience, we are separated by having done the listening in dissimilar systems . I only object to quips that are based on very high cost.

Anyway the Funk gizmo has naught to do with a $55K tonearm.

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lewm

To comment on the observable design and construction of a tonearm without necessarily speculating on its putative sonic character is no sin ...

I don't think anyone here is debating that. What we're discussing are those who render what they consider absolute, definitive assessments based solely on specs or a photo or two. And that's just absurd.