What Power Cords for Rel S510 Subs?


I’m considering a pair of Rel S510s to go with my Diablo 300 and B&W 802 D2’s. I’ve invested quite a bit in cabling: Audioquest Dragon for my amp, Hurricanes for my source equipment, and Nordost Valhalla 2 for my speaker wire. I can clearly hear the difference between a Hurricane and a Dragon cord when powering my amp. The Dragon puts space and air around vocals and instruments with front to back depth.

There is no way I can afford anything better than two 3m Hurricanes for the Rel S510’s but my question is, how much do power cords matter for subs? Sadly for my wallet, I’ve found that higher grade cords do make a considerable difference for all my other components, verified through blind tests. Not as much as speaker cables, but still a big difference.

I also have a Innuos network isolation switch and also an Innuos USB reclocker, to support my Innuos Zenith Mk 3 streamer.

Does power cord quality matter less with subs than with everything else?

For the record I’ve seen other threads on this subject, with what seems to be consensus that power cords don’t matter with subs, but I was hoping others who, like me, appreciate the difference a top tier power cord can make, can comment on whether there truly is no benefit to using one when it comes to subs. Has anyone compared a Hurricane grade (or better) cord with a stock cord, connected to a high end sub?

 

nyev

@vonhelmholtz 

Like you I particularly feel spending money on power cords for subwoofers isn't the place to start.  Neither would I spend money on power cord upgrade on a turntable.

 

The issue is noise on the power line.

Some comes from your house.  Deal with that by installing dedicated lines and a better earth/ground as I have done.

Some comes on the line.  If that concerns you, deal with it with an active power conditioner.  I remain very sceptical about expensive passive power cords.  There is no evidence they can operate as a noise

filter.  Valid evidence will take the form of double blind testing.  Although DB testing is inconvenient (in more ways than one), the believers should surely be vindicated if there were scientifically valid findings.  They fact they do not wish to test suggests they are afraid of the result.

Thanks all - even the trolls for the amusement!

Here is another interesting story which is a good analogy to the common sense that suggests that cables should have no impact. About 20 years ago I was watching the Perseid Meteor shower, inside a house, from a very large skylight. They were the brightest I’d ever seen them. Red in colour, with illuminated smoke trails behind them. Here’s the thing: I HEARD the meteors. They made a sizzling sound, like a frying pan.

Looked on the internet and it turns out many have heard meteor “hiss”. But, scientists/astronomers stated that common sense and physics suggests that this is impossible! Meteors are too far away, and any sound they might make would trail the visual of the meteor by seconds. But that’s not the experience everyone was reporting, including me. I heard the hiss in sync with seeing each meteor.

20 years passed and I thought I’d research again. Turns out common sense conclusions of astrophysicists were wrong! Now they revealed that it is proven that meteors can make sound - just not in the way everyone thought. Turns out meteors emit radiation. And if you are near a material the radiation can interact with, it can make a hissing sound. Radiation is transmitted at the speed of light which is why the sound accompanies the visuals. This also explains why I could hear the meteors INSIDE the house. And, I was surrounded by art made of sheet metal and also a metallic large chimney for an indoor fireplace. Scientists have recorded this phenomenon audibly and by measuring the corresponding radiation.

An example where common sense and basic scientific fact got things wrong!!

Okay trolls, chow down! Don’t say I never did anything for you!!!

And to the rest of you, thanks, I am planning on using AQ Hurricanes to power my subs!

Nasty term Troll.. that said they do like to chow down. Perhaps a testing diet of more than a hammer, screwdriver, vice grips, silly stories and imagination. Let’s have Figures, Comparables derived from how / what ? Frequency instrument tests, Low resistance ohmmeter tests, possibly oscilloscope digital and / or analogue, Wow even simple fluke multimeter tests but something ?? We’re hungry feed us ! That said.. Please please hear what I hear.. Just doesn’t cut it !

 

@1971gto455ho - I assume that you believe that every audible difference can be easily measured.  I was a cable skeptic for the most part until a few months ago.  I got the itch dabble in the voodoo that is all things audiophile and opted to start with a pair of Waudio power cables that I picked up on Amazon for under $50 each.  I honestly didn't have high expectations and figured that the 10 awg cables would maximize whatever current capacity was available audible or not.  I put one on my Pathos Classic One MkIII and the other on my SACD player.  I immediately noticed a significant difference and then realized that I was listening using my DAC so the only change was the power cord on my amplifier.  I honestly had mixed feelings about the change because it was far more realistic sounding, but also was more sterile.  I considered the change to be objectively better, but part of me did miss the more full sound.  As a side note, I immediately didn't like the results with my SACD player and moved the power cord to the DAC where I've never noticed any difference from the power cord even after getting a more expensive Pangea for it.  My experience with the power cord on my amplifier convinced me to try a lower end Audioquest interconnect (DAC to amplifier) to replace my Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 and the result was that I kept the realistic sound but gained back the full/smooth sound that I felt had been lost.  The improvement was significant enough that I moved up the line (Chicago to Sydney) and again noticed an improvement in clarity with the tone remaining essentially the same.  I tried an Audioquest digital cable (Cinnamon) and didn't hear any difference compared to the Blue Jeans Cable that it replaced.

What have you heard (or not heard) that has you so convinced that cables cannot result in an audible difference?

When I was like 23 a bored guy in a HiFi shop, who obviously knew I couldn’t afford anything at all in the store, did a blind test with me using stock power cords, $300 cords (which blew me away at the time that they actually existed) and a cord that costed thousands. System was Krell monoblocks feeding B&W 800 speakers.  I had never heard a system worth more than $8,000 up to that point.  Anyways, I correctly picked the right cable every time. Being able to blind test and pick the cord with 100% accuracy was all the proof / measurement that was needed.

I can still perform this test with 100% accuracy at home. Really, no other measurement matters if you can objectively hear the difference and identify the cord without knowing which cable is connected.