Need recommendations for a streamer


I would like to upgrade from a Bluesound Node to a higher quality streamer.

 

The Node sounds fine with my current system, but I am making a second system for my wife, and the Node is going to that new system. I thought I would take the opportunity to upgrade my streamer at this time.

 

My criteria are that it be a streamer only (no DAC/storage/CD player, etc), be able to hook into wi-fi/cloud without a physical wire/connection, have balanced outputs to go to my DAC, and cost less than 2,500 USD. Can anybody think of a streamer that fits this bill?

 

The rest of my system:

DAC: Terminator II

Preamp: Schiit Freya+

Amps: PS Audio M1200 x 2

Speakers: Thiel CS 2.3

 

Thanks.

cowhorn

@seanheis1 

 

I apologize if I gave you the impression that I hadn’t heard for myself. I started streaming years ago and was in the Mac mini is good enough camp. It was when I heard the difference between the Mac and the Innuos Zenith Mk3 and the differences between usb cables when I truly began to understand that a streamer was sending an analog representation of a digital wavestream and that all of the analog variables applied to digital streaming.

 

I was satisfied with the Innuos until I heard the next level of streaming solutions.

 

@juanmanuelfangioii 

 

Properly utilized fiber improves things in many cases, however, I did not find it favorable. There are many roads to Damascus huh? Best.

Sure @ghasley but I will take the road to anywhere else and pass on Damascus. The Moon by Simaudio 680D did it for me. Mind2 in this DAC is outstanding. Enlightenment comes in many ways and until you try you will never know. 

It was when I heard the difference between the Mac and the Innuos Zenith Mk3 and the differences between usb cables when I truly began to understand that a streamer was sending an analog representation of a digital wavestream and that all of the analog variables applied to digital streaming.

@ghasley I have always believed that differences in digital outputs must be because of something in the time domain.

Noise and frequency response are easily measured and these streamers tend to measure ruler flat and noise tends to be down something like 100dB below the main tone...so inaudible. 

But time domain....that's where we get jitter from optical....we can of course measure jitter. The other thing in the time domain is the wave form. We see R2R resistor ladder DACs producing a much prettier sine wave than Delta Sigma DACs. We see DACs where their slower filter produces a nicer sine wave than their fast/sharp filter.

We see DACs being ranked based on THD & Noise...but THD and noise are so low already, who cares if SINAD is 120 or 95? Only Audio Science Review people care...and that's measuring an ANALOG output stage. 

So a digital out on a streamer? These suckers measure incredible with THD, SNR, and Frequency Response. Which leads me to the belief that the real issue is in the time domain and very few people are paying attention to the time domain...and that is why your DAC and its inputs are so important.

When people say they like their streamers coaxial but not not USB, this is one example IMO. Some people like Zen Stream coaxial but not USB....maybe this has to do with the streamer, the DAC, or both. 

I draw the same conclusions with speakers cables and crossover parts. Things can be smeared in the time domain. Well known technical reviewers like Brent Butterworth still like to measure speaker cables using frequency response...but are IMO using the wrong tool. 

Indeed, what clock in what component is best suited. Which power supply is best equipped to reject noise. Everything matters. Ive tried to minimize steps and where there is a component necessary I try to buy the best available within a certain price band. High quality cables…power supplies…all within the realities of my listening environment.

@badgerdms to get back to your question I used MacBook Pro prior to my Bricasti M5. Mac sounded very good but Bricasti was much improved.
Prior = Mesh Router-Fmc-Optical cable- Fmc- MacBook- AQ Jitterbug- AQ Coffee Usb- Dac

Now=  Mesh Router- Fmc- Optical cable- Fmc- M5- AQ Coffee usb- Dac

Adding a good quality dual outlet LPS to the Fmc’s added noticeable improvement as well.