Anyone else feel like it’s the Wild Wild West?


I’ve been following the streaming threads here for a while now, and I find it both exhilarating and intimidating.  I mean, we all know everything in high-end audio matters to some degree or another, right (Ok, maybe except for the flat earth contingent)?  From what I’m reading and from my own experience the process of optimizing steaming has near unlimited potential, and some even say it rivals or even surpasses vinyl if taken to the max.  Cables, routers, optical, filters, extenders, power supplies, switches, etc., they all seem to make a significant difference despite the naysayers who say bits are just bits.  I’m all in on this steaming renaissance, but most of the jewels of useful info are buried in other posts, so I’d like to have this be a consolidator post of your best streaming experiences and recommendations for others who could benefit greatly from your hard-won victories and maybe save a lot of people the agony you went through to get to streaming nirvana.  So have at it — let’s empower this community in this noble task and help everyone realize the amazing potential of this magic gift to audiophiles.  What say you?

soix

When a iFi Zen Stream has far more issues with operation and glitches than a $79 WiiM Mini streamer I think it is incumbent upon iFi to FIX their product or stop selling it to unsuspecting customers and wait until they can come out with a "MK. 2" version that works as it should.

@moonwatcher I tend to agree, but I will say I think I’m finally on to a fix and if it works I’ll be a pretty happy camper given the sound quality I’m getting for $399. And although I’m forced to use Wi-Fi now due to traveling, when I get home I’m plugging into a Wi-Fi extender via Ethernet cable, and from what I hear there’s no problem with that connection. I’m not sure this problem is unique to iFi, but that’s not much comfort and there’s absolutely no excuse for them not having phone support, which to my mind is inexcusable for a company of that size and I’m sure that’s losing them business. BTW, when I finally get this fixed I’ll do a separate post detailing the solution(s) that will hopefully help other unsuspecting victims of this nightmare.

@drbay You’ve got a really nice system, but I think the Node is a significant bottleneck to better performance. Many people here have experienced very significant improvements moving up the chain from the Node and I think it would be a good idea to at least try a better streamer — you could buy through Amazon and just return it if you don’t find meaningfully better sound. In your case I’d highly recommend looking at the Innuos Zen or Zenith (depending on budget) as they’re not only excellent streamers, but their Sense software is widely reported to sound fantastic. And as a huge bonus they have a built-in server and disc drive so you can load all your CDs into it, ditch the CD player altogether (although you would need to add a DAC), and have access to all your music from your chair — plus your CDs may even sound better than through your CD player as well. Anyway, just my $0.02 FWIW.

Regarding the “wild Wild West” digital is the exact opposite to me. Very diversified yet with a natural order to things that provides many safe shelters

I agree with this. Digital is pretty easy, and comes naturally to me. I find analog on the other hand intimidating. Cartridges, arms, belts, plates, alignments, weight, and all that... very confusing for me. It’s all about the level of comfort we all have with any audio medium, just like with everything in life. We are all different people. Let’s enjoy what we are comfortable with. There is simply no right or wrong with our choices, just preferences.

 

I took the easy route:

Started streaming in 2019 with a Bryston BDA-3.14 streamer/dac which sounded really good to me, I have no vinyl so no comparo to do.

Had some problems with rasberry Pi based streamer internal to the piece. Talked to Bryston and they (at the time) couldn't get the streamer board.

So, we agreed that I will trade-in the 3.14 for a BDA-3 brand new, zero cost to me, I mean zero, no shipping and a return label for the 3.14.  That my friends is customer service.

Then purchased a Nucleus+ w/2TB drive installed.

Hardwired ethernet to Nucleus and then USB to DAC.  The DAC reclocks the digital input anyway and buffers around 10 seconds of the feed.

An Apple Macbook pro running Roon.  Streaming from Qobuz.

It sounds amazing to me, particularly DSDx2.

Could it be better? Sure.  

I'm with @mike_in_nc on this thread, nothing really fancy going on! Audience balanced cables to ARC pre, Audience 10ga power cables on all the front end.

Total all in ==> ~$7k.

A'gon should add a "Streaming" category!

Regards,

barts 

  

Digital is pretty easy, and comes naturally to me.

@thyname I hate you.  No offense. 

@soix yes, please let us know if you find a solution to some of the iFi Zen Stream’s issues. At it’s price point and the better fidelity reviewers have noted over the Bluesound Node used as a streamer only, it would offer a great bang for the buck - if it didn’t have those issues...bad Wi-Fi connectivity, stuttering or glitching on the 1st song every single time in Tidal, etc.

I use Tidal and Wi-Fi so until those issues are ironed out it will be a non-starter for me, hence the reason for looking at the MX-Stream by Musical Fidelity at $1100. Considerably more expensive but it does offer a lot too, and there is some value to be placed on less aggravation. I’m tired of being a Beta tester. Been doing that too long for too many companies and their products and software with little to show for it other than a few extra grey hairs.

As others have noted, this "streaming game" is still in a state of flux. I’m not looking to upgrade every 6 months when something "new and improved" comes along. Instead I want to get something and be happy for 5 to 6 years at least and then if I’m still alive and kicking, maybe upgrade. Thanks.