We Can Make Classic Cars Outperform Today's "SuperCars": Why Not Vintage Audio?


If you spent $2M on a modern "Supercar", you’d arrive at the end of a quarter mile 2 football fields behind the quickest highly-modified "street legal" cars from the muscle car era. You could show up at an Autocross event in your late model "track ready" sports sedan, and be embarrassed by a lady pushing a 1986 Monte Carlo between the cones.

There’s a lot of resources and talent in the automotive aftermarket. Many of the brightest minds earned weekly paychecks in their "past lives" at major auto manufacturers. There are various disciplines involved including complete engine and drive train replacements, serious add-on/mods to existing components, bigger/better brakes, track-ready suspensions, etc. They can even slide a complete new high-performance rolling chassis underneath popular models.

So, why not vintage audio? Well, we do dip our toes into this a bit. There are popular speaker crossover replacements for the DYI crowd. But, these fall sonically short of their contemporary "high end" counterparts. The automotive equivalent of replacing a 2 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold with a 4 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold -- while keeping the original single exhaust system intact. We can do simple mods to improve the sonics -- like upgrading an original power cord that you wouldn’t want to use on a 2-splice toaster, much less a high-current amplifier. The really smart guys need to come to the rescue for true audiophile grade solutions.

Understandably there has to be a "high give a s--- factor" related to this. The speed parts industry is fueled by a wildly enthusiastic crowd while vintage audio owners are, like: "whatever". So, the chances of a superb $5k amp/preamp module that drops into a Marantz 1060 chassis and slays any modern gear near it’s price point may not be coming to a town near you anytime soon.

I think this can be incremental if we put our minds and wallets to it. You "car guys" know there are 3 basic types of collector cars. "Showroom stock" represents as close as possible the vehicle as it rolled off the assembly line. "Personalized" generally follows a stock appearance with performance and cosmetic improvements. Generally speaking, the car can be reverted to showroom stock at some point the future. All the original parts are carefully cataloged and placed in safe storage. "Modified" has the appearance of a race car, and performs like one. Often modifications to metal are performed, and in some cases there’s no going back. We can follow similar guidelines as well. We understand the motivation to keep things "stock". We can also understand the audiophiles that love their vintage gear would be open to the concept of a significantly better listening experience while maintaining a stock appearance and functionality. Chopping up an Auburn is a really bad idea. But, upgrading the input terminals on an integrated amplifier may be highly palatable for those cherished collectables.

I also get it that the ROI would be questionable. An amp that has a current market value of $2k with $5k worth of mods might still be worth $2k -- or less.

What say you?

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"If one has a Marantz model 7 preamp, 8B amp and 10B tuner, you do not even think about "modding" it. Same with Mac."

I don't agree.Life is short. If it's in a museum, it needs to be original. If it's in my system, I want it to sound as good as possible.

But, if it was free, who'd a feckin' Camaro over a Veyron? And yop speed is just whacking off. Lap times are what matter. Apex speeds, etc. Caring about 1/4mi and top speed is like saying the lowest system is the best, nonsense  And completely unlike audio, the driver's the most important factor in a car. I would also reiterate, going in a straight line is boring. Who wants something to last 6sec? It's much better to race and get a corner inch perfect for 30mins or 6hrs. Just a nonsense comparo. 

I disagree. Life is short. If it is in a museum, it needs to be original in all respects. If I'm using it, I want it to sound as good as possible. That's what it's here for 

@holmz Impressive analogy.

It all works well until you fracture a voice coil?

i use leafs 😎

Once something has been modified, it is no longer original.  It was true when I swapped out components on my bicycle to when I swapped out power supplies on a couple of Marantz 22XX receivers to whatever.  If I ever were to sell them, I would get whatever a modded item is valued at.  Fortunately, I gift out stuff when I don't want it anymore.  

I don't always get half the transactions on American Pickers.  I can't imagine spending good money on any item just to leave it in the typical beat up, as in condition that so many items are in.  No big fan of rust.  (My dad was a picker, too many weekends spent with the Chief picking through junk yards as a kid).  Caught an old re-run of the AP show where they were picking 5 vintage TTs and a 2265 Marantz receiver.  For two self professed, life long audio gear experts, Mike and his brother did not sound like they knew their stuff.  

Back to the topic, once you mod a unit in a significant way, it ain't the same unit.  You have modernized it to some degree, so it is not vintage anymore. 

Rich