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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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thyname
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it is a science site

LOL!! 😂🤦‍♂️🙄
 

djones51
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I almost never post on ASR but I've read on a lot of different topics. I was amazed how many well know audio luminaries post there. From designers of well known amps, DACs, speakers to researchers in Psychoacoustics, professional audio mixers, studio technicians, firmware and software developers. Yeah it's a science site. 

djones51
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There is a lot of misinformation about ASR in this thread and on this forum. For one thing the title of this thread is nonsense. Better measurements = better sound isn't a tenant of ASR. Better measurements = better engineering is and with better measurements you have less chance to alter the source. Better sound is subjective and there are plenty of members on ASR who use tube amps and vinyl because they prefer the sound but what they don't do is claim tubes and vinyl is BETTER. 

sgreg1
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This subject can apply to any market of any product. I can buy a car for $1000 dollars or I can buy a car for $500,000. In its simplest argument they will both accomplish the same thing. Getting me from point a to b. Same with music I can spend $10 on a transistor portable radio and tune in to free over the air radio, or I can spend 100’s of thousands on a system that will play the same free over the air radio. My thought is to each their own and just enjoy the music. A post like this is exactly what I commented on last week. Audiogon started out as an open source for people to seek out unbiased help to questions on gear, set ups, and new technology for music lovers. It was adults have adult conversations to help each other out in an open forum. Now all too often we get trolls putting out post not with actual questions but gaslight questions just looking for a high number of responses to stroke their ego snd hope for self worth. I try to avoid wasting my time with a post like this but felt the need to reply!

invalid
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Asr posters insulted a guy that had some good arguments for cables, he had worked for AT&T in research and development. I will say that Amir did get a little mad at posters for doing that. I think it's worse now than it was back then.

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