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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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vonhelmholtz
911 posts
 

If you prefer a $12000 DAC to a $300 DAC then by all means buy one, if you claim it's "better" on ASR then you need to be able to prove it.

That's right..listen for differences.

Science gives us weather forecasts and Covid dictates. It has its place, but one case of positive listening and negative electrical testing, or the reverse demonstrates to us that all properties are not being measured.

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djones51
4,947 posts
 

This is a waste of time if you’re going to mischaracterize ASR based on a few posts or threads.

Senior Members of ASR use all types of amplifiers, speakers, digital and yes even vinyl. There are members who have designed tube amps, designed speakers of various types, as well as have extensive knowledge and training in Psychoacoustics among other disciplines. Maybe try to spend some time reading instead of confronting. They may show the best engineering of certain products through testing but they don’t discourage discussion of less than stellar performers. I don’t really understand the hostility.

If you don’t like ASR then ignore them, but they’re not going away.

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barts
713 posts
 

Although I don't agree  with Amir (ASR) on many conclusions I do enjoy watching him now and again.  He does not offend me and quite a few times has shown/taught me something I did not know.

I'm also of the opinion that he does help a budding audiophile get into a hobby without spending $$$$.  If the gear he recommends actually sounds good, the budding audiophile will at some point want to upgrade and likely have an open mind concerning listening vs testing. What other way is there? Unless your name happens to be Julian Hirsch.

I watched a clip of an interview with Amir where he stated that his main system consisted of Revel Salon II and Krell class A monoblocks. He didn't go any further than that.  Sort of paradoxical when you consider he MUST have tested speakers that measured the same.  Or not!

Regards,

barts 

 

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thyname
3,107 posts
 

@djones51 :

…. and the biggest factor that determines what you hear is your  speakers/room .

Agree on that. I would love to learn what you accomplished on that front. Please post a picture of your system here. I assume you have excellent speakers placed on a highly optimized purpose built dedicated heavily treated room? I think you have Dutch & Dutch active speakers, correct?

 

 

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