Cable design is a lot like creating a pizza


If you look at the construction of an RCA cable it can be very simple or can be very complicated. Eg. Audio quest higher end interconnect cables are extremely creative, the diagram on their website is visually stunning.

Ultimately, Cable design in many cables involves coloring the tonal signature. Cooking a pizza is all about making all the ingredients come together so it tastes amazing. Some do it a lot better than others and Pizza is a lot cheaper.

For cables, There are conductors, drain wires, shielding, Airfilled tubes, different gauges, etc…. Then there’s the copper strands which can be very detailed and numerous and twisted. So much going on.

With pizza you have cheese and sauce and spices and the dough and it’s all mixed together with all kinds of variation. Ultimately the sauce makes or breaks the success of a pizza slice.

With audio cables, hi end Cable designers are endlessly trying different ways to do all this. In the end they find something that sounds kind of nice. They may not know exactly why it does sound the way it does.

So that’s my take on Pizza design and cable design.

jumia

 

I don’t know . Ask your dealer?

And we had this conversation before, on your lamp cords you so proudly display in your profile picture: what is their capacitance, resistance, impedance? You surely have measured with your Audio Precision scope.

Why would I have an audio precision scope? and do they even measure capacitance and inductance?

If I was building cable for retail sale, then I would likely have the tools to measure both capacitance and inductance. But I usually buy Mogami wire which have the specs published per meter por foot. As I want to minimise capacitance and inductance I just use short cables. I suppose if I liked the sound of higher values, then I could just use longer cables…

And you are 100% sure their “specs” are the best there is, nothing better out there? Never been curious to try alternatives? And no, you don’t have to be a blind mouse to try cables.

It is the designers who appear to be blind without some specs to define their cable.

 

And for some reason, you fine lamp-cords folks think we who buy fancy cables do not look at any of that compatibility stuff at all 🤦‍♂️

New cables are in the post to me.
Both speaker cables, and some silver ones for IC construction.

But I’ll keep the avatar. It shows the system right after a move, when we needed to get it running a year ago. I would have used a coat hanger, if I did not have a spool of wire.

But this thread was about cables being like pizzas, so why the attack?
A cable is only like a pizza if it is all subjective.
Beer is not like a pizza, in that it is made to some objective standards of bitterness, ph, alcohol %, dryness, etc. and the German purity laws date back hundreds of years, so we know what is in it.

Your cables are more like imported dog food or baby formula…

 

I don’t know . Ask your dealer? 

TT fellow said use the shortest cable you can, and a low dielectric constant seems better, and try to use 23ga or larger, and try to find one with low capacitance.
(He sells the TT to the dealers.)

 

 

@thyname

I think you made several excellent points in response to @holmz which have so far gone unanswered.

@roxy54 can you point out the excellent ones?
(I think that I missed those.)

I would have used a coat hanger, if I did not have a spool of wire.

My bad. I should have stopped engaging coat hanger folks from the beginning. Totally my bad.

My bad.

Yeah.
It would probably be more productive (i.e. “My Good”) to discuss what electrical characteristics make for a good cable.

However as many use a cable as a tone control, then that gets difficult when it is a tuning device.

And hence the cables are made like pizzas with no specs to determine what electrical characteristics might be similar for system tuning.

*L*  Another forum that starts off cheesy, chills, and everyone gets stuck and strung out....into cable consternation....yet again.

@holmz ...cables as a very subtle form of eq....and brag rights, I suppose.

I don't make claims to perfection, so feel no need to get involved.....

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