Herbie’s Spike Decoupling Gliders: my…experience


So my Herbie’s gliders (giant, titanium) arrived to put under my 180 pound B&W 802 D2’s.

I immediately rushed to install them, alone (yes wait for it..) to see what kind of difference they can make.

I also adjusted my spikes so I had the speakers on their side to do what I needed to do. I righted the speakers again, on my own no sweat (just a hernia).

Rocked the speaker up and inserted the Herbie’s gliders, no problem. Except, ONE of the spikes popped out of the indentation in the glider and was resting in the top of the glider - and the 180 pound speaker toppled! I yelled “NONONONO…” I think I managed to yell about 7 No’s in the time the speaker took to topple.

Amazingly, it landed on three massive 8” thick extra firm camping mat that just happened to be there from when I had the speakers on their sides to adjust the spikes. By some miracle neither my speaker, my floor, and my body were damaged due to my stupidity fueled by impatience!

To further my stupidity, I proceeded to reinstall the Herbie’s under the speaker, on my own again. Yes, I did that. But this time I was successful, against all odds. What could I do, the family was asleep!

After this success, my senses came to me and I decided to wait to install the gliders under the second speaker.

This gave me a unique opportunity to test the difference in sound between my left speaker sans Herbie’s, and my right speaker with Herbie’s. The difference was not small. The Herbified speaker sounded more immediate, open, confident and clear. Albeit with a tad less “tangible” bass. While the non-Herbified speaker had more of that tangible bass, the bass was muddier. And the rest of the range was also muddier and less immediate. Listening like this was totally weird, it was like the cables were out of phase or something.

In the morning I sheepishly told my wife what happened and she helped my Herbify my left speaker in like less than a minute. I was greeted with a far more confident mid and upper presentation, which was more detailed, more solid, more open, and the soundstage was wider and more solid. All with a tad less bass but the trade seems easily worth it. I can see why some people claim that vibration control products impact tonal balance. But I’m not sure if it really is this or not - it may simply be that a degree of muddiness is removed and the tones just come through better as a result (with less bass “mud”).

I don’t have any experience with similar products (isoacoustics, Townshend, etc) so I don’t know how they compare. But I’m quite amazed and happy with the difference these make. They should come with a warning though! (Against being stupid that is)…. On a serious note, it’s easy to underestimate how unsteady your speakers can become with a single footing at a slightly different height than the others.

I do wonder about the physics of what is happening.  With decoupling products that is, I do comprehend why my speaker toppled. You use spikes to couple the speaker cabinet to the floor so it becomes fixed, to improve performance. So why in the world would undoing this with a decoupling device improve things further? I don’t get it. I noticed less bass. Maybe the flex reduces the speaker’s ability to produce as much bass, reducing vibrations in the cabinet and allowing mid and upper frequencies to shine more? Taking that logic to an extreme, would the ultimate decoupling device be suspending your speakers from the ceiling? Totally uninformed theory…

nyev

Just finished Herbifying the rest of my gear. Results are very pleasing. Adds a relaxed, easy, confident naturalness to the sound. I don’t know maybe all of these sort of products do the same thing. I can’t say. Maybe others are even better. All I can say is I am very happy with the Tenderfeet, as so many also seem to be. No snake oil here. Just a regular way too marked up (but still “budget” vs the others!) audiophile product that actually works. Nothing to see here.

I was listening while applying them to each component. The biggest and very sudden jump in performance, unexpectedly, was when I lifted my entire wooden shelf with all my gear and installed 4 Herbie’s Giant Fat Dots underneath, between the shelf and the suspended engineered hardwood floor.

With everything installed, depth, layering, openness with a relaxed feel was noticeable. I can hear specific elements of well known songs that were not presented that way before the Herbie’s.

Music is far more easy to get caught up in all of a sudden. Next up, Audioquest Fog Lifters. They were fairly inexpensive (but still massively overpriced for what they are). Thought about making some but couldn’t be bothered…

Okay naysayer trollies - let’s go, who’s first? Lol….

@nyev

Okay naysayer trollies - let’s go, who’s first? Lol….

 

Not me!

I believe that isolation works, but apart from loudspeakers and turntables with all of their inevitable panel/stand interface resonances, I can’t see why it would work with electronics that don’t have any mechanical/moving parts.

I’m not even certain that isolation does much or anything for my CD player and amplifier but yes, they are isolated.

 

 

There’s a bunch of reasons I’ve seen proposed as to why isolating electrical gear helps, but I’ve no idea of these are correct or not.

Enough trustworthy audiophiles have said it helps for me to believe there is something to it. And this extends to cable lifters as well (I’ve not done this….yet). All is know is that the lift in performance was just massive after resting everything on the footers. And, the positive effects were not even consistent from component to component. As I mentioned, the single biggest jump was when I installed Herbie’s Giant Fat Dots under my wooden shelf. I was expecting the smallest boost as these are not directly under the components themselves. But my theory now is that it made the biggest difference because it improved all components at once, whereas all other tests were after isolating each component individually. Common sense based theory.  The fact that I noticed this helped to counter the notion that the improvements I was hearing were related to placebo effect or confirmation bias.     Also, this is of course a subjective statement but I know for sure that they way details are presented are different now (more tangible).  I’d not heard specific elements of well known test tracks presented quite that way before. Overall I find the expansiveness and weight improved, it’s a slightly fuller sound now.  I was actually worried it would become thinner due to improved bass resolution but there seems to be better resolution AND an overall bigness/fullness to the presentation now.