Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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"By introducing some generally accepted scientifically measured reference points we may finally be able to escape from this seemingly inescapable audio maze."

This summarizes ASR's mindset perfectly. And it circles back to the expression: "When holding a hammer, everything looks like nail". 

How can audio be a maze when there's no up, down, entry or exit? Audio is too abstract for our human brains, much like the universe. We elaborate theories with equations and graphs to try to understand it. However, this scientific framework locks you into a mindset which could turn you ignorant to other possibilities. 

"Still don't understand how ASR can claim to be an audio equipment reviewer without actually listening to the audio product being reviewed."

I have a clear explanation. Floyd Toole listened to many speakers decades ago and determined "the best parameters for speaker design". Therefore, everyone who follows Floyd Toole to the letter doesn't have to listen to speakers anymore. The burden of subjective listening is lifted. It's like forming a mould and comparing everything to that mould. If the reviewed object doesn't fit in the mould then throw it in the trash. Repeat. Do you understand how you save time, effort and "error"? 

"A system put toghether from ASR favourites would be very very good. I got one." 

If it's good and affordable, then who's complaining? 

Ultimately, ASR is a hype machine for affordable and mid-fi products. You'll be disappointed by the big performance claims and the objectivity claims. But if your expectations are low, you can expect a pleasant hi-fi system at affordable prices based on the recommendations. 

Just don't interect with ASR. They're very rude (unless you agree with them).

 

I agree with everything you have said  above Kokakolia.Except for the last sentence.

Rude is far too kind for some of the moderators there.Lets just say their favourite footwear would be jackboots.

I can now understand the problem most here have with ASR. They aren't interested in your subjective opinion on $10,000 DACs, $50,000 speakers, and $25,000 amplifiers and ban you when you can't substantiate your claims  after repeatedly being asked to. 

If you can prove your golden ears with blind testing then do so otherwise this 

Just don't interect with ASR. They're very rude (unless you agree with them).

Is excellent advice. 

We do not have to prove anything.  Subjective is a personal appraisal based on our own senses and perception.  He cannot measure what we can hear, and certainly not with the rinky-dink equipment that he is using.  That has been proven- just not on his channel since it does not fit his agenda.  

His channel is about controversy which brings him lots of hits to his channel which translates into income.  That is what he is about.

Just don’t interect with ASR. They’re very rude (unless you agree with them).

@djones51 Is excellent advice.

Quite so. ASR exists and will continue to do so for those who desire information and education which is demonstrably not acceptable to many on this forum.

Why do people here who have an issue with ASR even bother looking at what ASR has to convey about a product?

Like anti-smokers or a long standing smoker of a range of brands based on their taste or aroma and other subjective qualities maintaining their angst about a site that discusses the best brands of cigarettes or tobacco based on a chemical analysis of the cigarettes or tobacco (there are several thousand chemicals). Of course the best brands site will block you.

And this is an issue? Why?

This is predominately an American forum, and I am not an American so I don’t even pretend to understand.