Midwoofer+Tweeter vs Wide band

Check out Cube Audio Nenuphar V2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes I've heard good things about Cube, WE have a Cube owner here in New Orleans, but am still waiting for a audition at his home. I should rephrase me above comment. A FR does in FACT quite well at both extremes, 50ish hz is all I need w my classical collection, W jazz/blues you may want a sub woofer, but IMHO subs are for HT and are not musical, = its fake bass = add on. Yuckkk Highs, well if you want some ambience on top end a tweeter is HIGHLY recommended = Necessary. Back to Erik's hacking my far out critique on woofers. Look woofers are not flat from say 25hz through 2500 hz. If you do find a Scanspeak woofer that has decent sens at say 25hz , this means the sens at the other end will drop off significantly. Woofers can only be FUNCTIONAL at either end, as a extra low end speaker = below 35hz OR asa midrange that meets a tweeter at 2500 with high sens. A woofer can not be both. facts are woofers suffer at both ends with decent sens. = can't meet the tweeter's low end. Tweeters show break up below 2400 whena orchestra or jazz fusion gets jamming. I just ckecked my tweeters' xover, its not 3k as I thought. Its 1st order w a Mundorf 8.2 cap puts the xover at 2400, a bit lower that I want but do not have cash for a 6 uf which would put my 2 tweeters at a much better 3k hz point. So my dual Tweeters run at 2400, and at the vol I listen 85 SPL, there's no stress at all. I'm thinking of swaping both tweeters fora super duper high end Scanspeaker which claims 94db sens. I really think this Scanspeak tweeter will result in spectacular success. I have no issues w either tweeter's, but if I can make a gain for a few bucks. I'm willing to put the final touch on my design. I stand corrected: a tweeter is NOT a tweeter. There are subtle sonics in tweeters. Enough to seek out the best. Which IMHO is the Scanspeak, the one w the pointed phase plug. at 94db. 8 phms. Nothing from Seas can approach that Scan T. I think Seas older model tweeters pre 1990 were better as in higher sensitivity. Their newest **Flagships** Millennium/Crescendo, are wayyyyy too low sens to be considered high end tweeters. = trash. I'm very happy how my design transformed intoa true musical speaker for all classical genres. Last, and can't resist, woofers serve no purpose in my design. I have found they are near worthless inventions which yet captivated a whole generation of audiophiles. The asian audiophile figures FR offers a superior true musical image with the least stress on amplifier and the listeners ears.

@mozartfan Several of your comments in your last post puzzle me. Obviously you know the sound and the limitations of the speakers you own, but not of those that you have not heard. I feel sure that the extensive innovation during development of the Cube Audio drivers results in a much improved full range performance at the extremes. If your comments were intended only to describe the limitations of your current full range speakers, then fair enough.

Just ordewred the NEW DLVX SE6,, has the new Neo magnets,, and same style whizzer as the VX8,, I have the older VX6 and may/may not run all 3 FR in the system. IMHO this high end FR beats any woofer/tweeter as far as vocals and all mid fq's. I mean it LIVE.. I have come to HATE/DESPISE all woofers/tweeters to the angst of my local tech guru.. THe box speakers are a  gimmick set up by The Official ConsumerCommercial Industry. I hate all box style speakers. 

Thing is DavidLouis has only been around past say,,ohh 6 yrs now.. And his latest models are super high end. far far superior to the older FR champs, the Coral Beta 8's. I do not foresee any improvements over the DLVX8 and DLVXSE6. 

I will try to upload a  YT vid once I figure out if it will be a  2 or 3 FR speaker system. 

Cheers

dlcockrum

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06-11-2022 at 08:19pm

@mozartfan Several of your comments in your last post puzzle me. Obviously you know the sound and the limitations of the speakers you own, but not of those that you have not heard. I feel sure that the extensive innovation during development of the Cube Audio drivers results in a much improved full range performance at the extremes. If your comments were intended only to describe the limitations of your current full range speakers, then fair enough.

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Well  as everyone knows here my opinions are rather extreme , if not dogmatic. I've run some experiements and cost me a  bundle to get at the bottom of things. 

There is not  ever 1 box style speaker that interests me in the very least.

These DL FR are the sound I';ve been searching for all my life ,,some 40 yrs now. I realize this site   has few FR fans on board. 

I vcan tell you this much,, us FR fan-ATICS, we would never ever go back to box style speakers. 

Low bass fq's ,, whats that??? 

Super high fq's.??? whats that?? 

See here is FR smashes all/every box style speakers,, Wilson and others can stick as many drivers they want in a  box, its still not going to match/equal/surpass a  high end FR in the complete mids. 

96++% of my classical music falls in the full midrange section.. = FR top dawg.