Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

Okay Amir, obviously you are trying to compare the finite with the infinite.  Plumbing equipment can be tested for their intended purchase, absolutely, just as aviation equipment must be tested and retested and hopefully not modified due to in flight failures.  So your plumbing analogy is wrong and made to sound stupid as a comparison.

Sound and music are infinite.  Hence, even the most exacting computer modeling of the most expensive concert halls results in failures.   The Elbphilharmonie in Germany is that $850 million hall.  The truth is that shoebox configured halls that seat under 2,000 people sound best and used zero computer modeling from the 19th and 20th centuries.  

I want audiophiles to use common sense and logic by learning to listen to sound and music, not just use measurements as their guide.   

I have friends with $500k to $1M audio systems.   I wouldn't own their systems.  They are pleased with them (one I now enjoy listening to).  However, the $1M audio system owner is constantly changing equipment because he is unsatisfied with it.  There are parts of their high end systems that I like.  The $1M system owner dumped $68,000 in High Fidelity cables and purchased GroverHuffman cabling for about $4,000.   After hearing the difference of course.

The $500K system owner chose to change the 6H30 tubes on his Audio Research SP 28 to 6N6 (6H6) tubes.  The result was fantastic.  He was also an electrical engineer and thought power cables were all the same despite his higher end ICs , digital and speaker cables.  He replaced all six of his Pangea power cables with GroverHuffman power cables after just lending him one power cable for his amp.  Since we live a few doors apart and enjoy a wide range of music, we visit each other and can now enjoy music together (but not prior to his major 2 changes in 2022).  

This is not an advertisement for GroverHuffman cables.  Just, one must listen to alternative equipment in one's own home to make a qualified decision, like an A/B test at a Harman Kardan factory (which is about 5 miles from me).    

@amir_asr the militia is not nonsense, ASR is not what I call a forum, non conformrity is flamed, shamed, and banned, it is a firing squad. I think you allow it because if the people paying your bills get good information from other sources it won’t be profitable for you, what do you have to say?

@amir_asr No, you don't use terms like snake oil and fraud, your minions do.  Just read today's new forum against Audiogon, audiophiles and expensive equipment Audiogon thread critical of ASR.   There's the proof in 100+ posts.  

Sure you're professional to a point.  Your testing isn't up to par for many products including speakers and DACs you have reviewed.   If you read all this forum's posts you would know of other review sites with much more extensive testing and testing parameters.  I want more data, not less.  

Your $20,000 DAC measured poorly.   Yet, there are many DACs that are expensive that measure quite well.   The sound differences are very significant.  Not all DACs are made or measure alike.  You got a bad one (design-wise).   Now one knows which one it is.   I guess we would find out by listening to it, huh?   

@fleschler, I think amir-asr just did a drive by, we will see if he responds to my question about his business.

@kota1 Your previous 4 posts would have earned you a permanent ban on ASR forums. I had a similar attitude to yours on the ASR forums earlier this year. I got permanently banned without warning. 

I found the ASR thread mentioning this Audiogon thread. As expected ASR view themselves as the gatekeepers of truth. And they view Audiogon as delusional snobs with expensive cables. I don't think that either side will change their stances and find compromises.

I question why Amir chose to interact with this thread. He could just stay quiet and preserve his moral high-ground on ASR. If anything, Amir is "lowering himself to Audiogon's level". He is god (on ASR forums). 

My dream is that someday ASR will bring an impressive and affordable system to Audiogon for people to enjoy. I just think that members on Audiogon want to be impressed with good sound, not schooled with "measurements and facts". Our ears cannot interpret an image of a graph and generate music that way. Ultimately, Audiogon members live in the physical realm. ASR members live in the theoretical realm. The two realms can converge on a venn diagram. Let's make that happen.

I mentionned this idea to ASR members on the ASR forum. I was basically laughed at. The ASR reference system is 100% theoretical. Picture target frequency response curves. Hey, I'm of the opinion that a pair of speakers is better than no speakers. But I'm delusional according to ASR. 

"My hi-fi system is so great, it's out of this world. No really, it doesn't exist. You cannot listen to it."