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"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@rudyb

@amir_asr Well spoken amir. Although, banning someone for stating an opinion is quite harsh, could such in future maybe be solved via discussion or a PM?

OK ... so ... someone claims he/she has a nicer ’soundstage’ after installing an expensive ethernet cable, while if we measure this cable there’s no difference at all in the transfer of the bits and bytes. Or someone else claims more bass extension after upgrading to an expensive power cord ... while it’s inexplicable? These people enjoy their purchase, while others may say they are scammed. How can we live peacefully together?

Thanks. No one gets banned for expressing an opinion. They get banned when they repeatedly try to convince others that they are wrong with no evidence to back it.  Member @kokakolia had 117 posts for example before being banned. Member @kota1 had 22 posts in a short span of time with amazing claims of a 7 year old cable is out of date, etc.

Plenty of folks express opinions on ASR with no consequence.  As I have said, our aim in ASR is to be able to back what we say. Standard claims of "my ears tell otherwise" repeated over and over again, with whole bunch of talking points thrown in there comes across as "trolling" and eventually we get enough reports to ban the member. Many such members also get personal and upset which accelerates their membership demise.

On PM, we have do that as well when a member brings value to the forum.  if you all you have done is join and keep complaining, then you are eventually shown the door per above.

Just saying the tired expression of better soundstage, blacker background, faster bass, etc. doesn't add value and is not evidence of anything. Every audiophile tweak product comes with the same adjectives. Please don't come to ASR and try to convince people the objective data, research and engineering is wrong because you heard or read about such things on the product. We know. We have heard you and others say it. Post that here. Not at ASR.

Finally, purchasing expensive stuff is just fine. I routinely recommend super expensive products that perform well.  Many put value on how things look, feel, support, country of origin, etc. What is much less tolerated is when the company makes outlandish claims of fidelity, and measurements, listening tests, etc. show that it is not true.  Then, if you are an expensive product, you get an earful.

As an example of expensive product that is recommended is this Mola Mola DAC and streamer at $11,500: 

 

 

@smprather welcome to the forum, I see you made your first post, do you want to expand your audio experiences and knowledge with some different points of view? Please share your gear, your preferences, etc. and I think you will find the process very non confrontational and supportive.

 

@amir-asr, I forgot to welcome you to the forum as well. Can you please post your personal system, preferences, and what you are trying to achieve? I think all of us here will be more than happy to be supportive in a non confrontational style.

For example, in your review of the Paradigm PW Link (which I also own and AGREE with your assessment, stone cold bargain, great room correction) you shared that you don’t/won’t use room treatments. This would be a GREAT topic to discuss in the appropriate thread. You can use room treatment and then place acoustically transparent fabric over them so they remain "invisible". If you like ARC or any DSP room correction you will find that it works MUCH better in a treated room.

This is just awesome, first, @kota1 posts this welcoming message:

@smprather welcome to the forum...I think you will find the process very non confrontational and supportive.

Then the belittling follow-up by @fleschler 

@smprather  You just joined Audiogon so that you could post to support Amir.  You've been an ASR member for 3 years and posted 3 times.  Wow!!! Impressive. 

It would be hard to make this stuff up.

@mitch2, maybe @smprather is sincere and not a drive by poster, let's see if he responds. If he is here just to throw rocks you can't blame @fleschler