Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

Pretty sure I can be a drive-by poster if I want to be.

Regarding electronics, there can be no debate. You put it on the bench. If the output matches the intended output. Then it is good. Else, it is bad. Example: amps turn little waves into big waves that can sufficiently drive the load as if they are an ideal voltage source - which all classAB or D amps that cost >$100 can do now. That’s it. It’s just too easy to screw up, and @amir_asr is one of the best in the world at not screwing it up.

Regarding analog/digital interconnects, there can be no debate. It’s just simple physics and/or EE theory. It doesn’t matter, but I’m an MSEE w/ 25 years experience designing analog and digital chips. I know the math better than most.

If you want to debate speakers with me, then first watch this video on Floyd Toole’s landmark research (link below). @amir_asr can correct me if I’m wrong, but he uses an implementation of this research to predict speaker performance, along with subjective listening to verify expectations. I haven’t read all the reviews, but I don’t recall anything he’s heard that wasn’t predicted. If Spinorama says it sounds good, then so will blind listening tests. Other than that, as @amir_asr points out, the only other thing that matters is if it can go as loud as you like it without hitting large-signal limits.

If you don’t believe in blind A/B/X testing to verify your assertions, then please don’t debate anything with me. You’re an audio theologist with money to spare, not a scientist.

 

@smprather you said, "there can be no debate", is this why you came to a forum that hosts debates about audio?

Let's start with a discussion then. You saw @tonywinga post earlier, describing his system, the effort he took to make it the way he likes, the pics he posted. You saw @fleschler post about his background and experience. Let's just start with telling us a bit about your system and what you want to accomplish, OK? Feel free to start a new thread if needed. 

@kota1 I believe that you're asking too much from Amir and ASR. Amir has a firm grip on ASR. Amir has strong convictions. Amir is intentionally deaf to opinions expressed which go against his convictions. And that's absolutely fine because Amir is master of the ASR forums. If you don't like ASR, join another forum. Or find another hobby. The world is your oyster, don't sabotage yourself trying to change Amir. 

Is the Hi-Fi hobby threatened because ASR is a one way street and Amir is the Lord of that street? Ridiculous. Find another street. 

Amir welcome. So are these negative posts having a negative impact on  your collection basket?

Thank you.  We don't have ads on ASR Forum. If we did, negative and bickering posts would help with that in how it increases page views.   So you have that backward on two fronts.  The fight here is helping the owner collection basket. Have you filed protests on that?

@kota1 I believe that you're asking too much from Amir and ASR. Amir has a firm grip on ASR. Amir has strong convictions. Amir is intentionally deaf to opinions expressed which go against his convictions.

 

I am not deaf to anything or I would not tested huge number of ineffective audiophile tweaks.  The more data the better.  Some of you rather not see this data. It angers you even though you lack technical knowledge of the field. You could choose to learn. But instead come here to complain, acting like you know more than whole of audio science.  So look to yours6fir character flaws.   That is where the answer is if you want to advance your knowledge of audio.