Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@invalid 

How can anything new be invented if we already have perfection according to the measurements you guys often talk about. 

Putting aside once more the mischaracterization that my reviews are only measurements, some devices have achieved audible perfection, some have not.  state of the art DACs for example exceed the capabilities of our hearing even in the best case situations.  You might think you can hear my toilet flush from where you live, but you can't really.  Your hearing has limits so equipment only needs to get better than it which is the case now.

In other cases such as speakers and headphones, perfection is not remotely there.  

I think your disconnect is that you believe marketing hype that every day there is a new DAC that solves an audible problem. You know, what every audio company claims with out a single shred of proof.  No listening tests for example that demonstrates anything.

What is remarkable is that in audio, person after person comes to the defense of manufacturers, backing their marketing claims and throwing the poor consumer under the bus.  So much money is wasted because consumers have put their guard down completely and joined the other camp!

Show them independent testing and they scuff at that.  "Oh, this means nothing can be invented then."  Or yeh?  Why do you want something to be invented?  Why not spend your extra cash on music? Or a nice meal?  Or a vacation?  Must you go and waste it away on some new power cable? A DAC?  Why oh why?

@laoman 

"See how we behave on ASR?"

Yes, like absolute arrogant "miscreants", who think they have nothing to learn from others.Just like Amir is behaving here.

So much for you all being open and accepting of other folks.....

Well power cables are an easy target.I have never heard any difference between them and I acquired some quite expensive ones that came as part of a complete system.That might because I do not live in a high density or industrial/commercial area I suppose.

"So much for you all being open and accepting of other folks....."
Have you been thrown off this site like a number of us were on yours? What a hypocrite.

@milpai 

I find it funny that this thread instigated an owner of another site to come here and defend himself and his site.

But how convenient to leave topics he has no idea about and only reply to those which are close to his heart. Never discussed about my last post here on why everyone hears the same sound differently.

Also, what's the point of measuring so many electronics? I don't think he runs a charity. Everyone has got a reason. I don't believe he is doing community service, cause I have seen after every measurement he asks for charity.

And this same poster says that Audiogon members are "biased". But the he measures the equipment and claims to listen to them. How does bias not set in at that point? After all he is a ordinary human being and bias is in human nature.

I could ignore you all but thought there was so much misinformation that I should stop by and clarify. As I have shown, nothing in OP is accurate or correct. He starts with confusing me with another reviewer for heaven sake! 

The rest of your post I test far more than electronics.  The list includes 250 speakers and 113 IEMs/Headphones for example.  Electronics dominate because that is what folks send to me for testing and there are so many of them.  I also test a bunch of audio tweaks from USB filters to power cables and conditioners.  Folks send them to me and I test them.

I don't run a charity. It is a hobby that I enjoy which happens to create a lot of value for audiophiles. ASR is a joint venture between membership and I. They send me a ton of gear to test.  There is fair bit of expense in packing and shipping products back. Small percentage of the membership donates money toward this cause and also because they get a lot of value from the site. 

The approach is distinct from the standard model of companies sending products to reviewers. It gives me freedom to express any views I like. And unlike subjective reviews, measurements speak for themselves.  So even with manufacturer sent gear, there is strong checks and balances.

The effort has resulted in change in the industry with more and more companies adopting objective measurements in their design cycles. Those who have not, risk falling behind.

Audiophiles have been exceptionally supportive. We have grown to one of the top audio sites in the world.  

As to bias, see what you are doing? If I say I don't listen, you complain that I don't.  If say I do, you still complain.  Which way do you want it?  Well I tell you: look at the objective measurements, null tests, knowledge of technology that are the lead in every review.

As to what topics I answer, I have answered a ton already. The format of the forum makes it hard to write replies or I would do a lot more.  Then again, if this isn't enough, not sure more would help get some folks' heads out of the sand.

But sure, in your next post instead of complaining and throwing rocks, clearly state what question you want me to answer.  There is no technical topic that I am afraid of engaging in.