Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@axo1989 

Anyway, my takeaway is that long term audio memory is a more complex story, it certainly has resilience and differentiation in my experience (but the efficacy for a reviewer who listens to many system will be a different story). Bass is pretty straightforward (watts are good, but current is better, if you'll excuse the vernacular). Stereo image is the complex product of many factors, starting with the recording, but I wouldn't rule out the amp-speaker-room system as contributor.

How do you know this take away is true? Better yet, how can you prove this take away is true?  Where is the proof point?  At no time did you perform a controlled test like I mentioned in the video, correct?  Without it, your conclusions are only yours.  They present no value on the topic at hand.  Indeed, they go against the consensus of audio research community which has tested these theories. 

According to ASR lore, this can be explained by sighted bias. I was (weirdly) biased against my new amp (I know, a bit contradictory). 

First, it is not according to "ASR."  It is according to accepted audio science which ASR follows. 

That aside, no, the problem is not sighted bias directly.  Your hearing is elastic.  You listen more intently at times vs others. Your hearing system is bi-directional with the brain instructing how your auditory pathways work.  This feedback loop relies on the task you give it.  Tell the brain that you are testing something new and it will focus more and attempt to dig out detail, listen for transients, etc.  And lo and behold, it "hears" improvements even if you thought there should be none.  Or be negative.  This is why the excuse that "I didn't expect it to sound good but it did" doesn't work.  There is no pre-requisite as such although that is also another factor that pollutes the results.

You need to put yourself in controlled tests, graded by others, with conclusions known in advance to see how good at these things.  Just running experiments yourself and deciding you were right about this and that just doesn't work.  As I showed earlier, audio reviewers performed horribly in controlled tests of speakers.  Yet I am sure all thought they were great in telling performance of speakers.

Please remember that all of us also exist in your shoes as well as ours. I like you hear things that later realize where not there.  Have this happen to you enough times and you get sober and realize your perception is not what you think it is.  That your intuition can be so wrong in audio.

Measurements and understanding of how your electronics work is a powerful antidote to arriving at wrong conclusions.  If I perform a digital null that shows your audio device didn't work differently when you upgraded its power cable, then that is that.  

I don't think woodsage read the article. It isn't necessarily bad doctors but systemic problems with care facilities, insurance and non standardization across the health care industry. 

I expect that what I see here is what many others will see while reading these sorry pages. A calm, experienced, knowledgeable, detail oriented, expert in this particular aspect of his field professional who is going up against a bunch of classroom bullies who are doing their attempted best at a character assassination.

 

Keeping patting yourself on the back every time you think you have a gotcha. It is pretty obvious you don't and you are either twisting Amir's words deceitfully or do not understand most of them. I think it is a combination of both. I will say this again in the hopes it sinks in. You should be ashamed of your behaviour. This may be an internet forum, but it is still real life. You are not in some video games where everything resets when you lose a life.

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