Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@kota1

Unless there have been some changes in the Audiogon management, which I am not aware of, you are not a member of staff. However, here you are with 111 posts, about 1/2 of them on this topic, acting like you set the rules and were elected leader of the club. You do appear to have elected yourself moderator of this topic.

This was your second post ever, attacking Amir. Given your attitude that you "own the place", should I assume you are new "former" account?

"Science" is published in peer reviewed journals. The guy at ASR is asking for money in every review and states upfront that he is a dealer and you can assume as much bias as you like. He can't even properly listen to components because he states proudly he doesn't like room treatments. It is worse than a joke because he has duped people into something like a cult of measurements.

In context to my earlier post to amir, which was:

As an audio equipment reviewer, why do you choose not to actually listen (with music) to every audio component you review?

Note that I already understand (from your prior post) that you do listen to speakers & headphones. I'm wondering why you limit actual listening tests to those and don't bother to listen (again with music) to amps, dac's, etc."

amir asked boxer12....

"Why would you trust what I would have to say about it? Why do you trust anyone? Is your room the same as theirs? You play the same music? Your ears are the same? You see the problem?"

boxer12 answers...

1. I wouldn’t, but it would be a human datapoint. Get enough of those right & I might trust your opinion (somewhat at least)

2. I do trust the opinion of some experienced audiophiles

3. No, but those I trust have room treatments of some sort. They listen to music & treat their rooms accordingly, as do I

4. Irrelevant

5. No & I’m well aware of that (also fine with it). Surprised you bring it us though.

6. Yes, you trust you’re measuring all the right things so human interface with the audio component is not necessary.

@amir_asr "There is no wall at ASR. Hundreds of members join the forum from all walks of life. Only a handful get banned because all they want to do is argue and not provide any data to the conversation."

THIS IS A LIE!!!! My first post was my personal experience with the CD trimmer. I shared that I purchased it very cheap to TRY it. I didn’t find it worthwhile (compared to destating a CD prior to play) and could make a big % profit reselling it. What was so wrong with that? Instead, immediate character assassination by your minions. I stated some more experience and opinions and whamo, I was constantly insulted. I hurled one back and voila! I received a warning. This kept going for an hour or two and I was banned. Everything I said in a neutral and explanatory vein was excised. The excision part of the statement was turned upside down and altered to state a negative rather than a neutral. I mentioned that I have underground power lines in my community.   I didn't say it was good or bad but rare to have an outage.   Those minions tore it apart giving it all kinds of meanings and of course, character assassination that I was professing that I am superior to them.  I never stated any such thing and would not as I don't know any of them personally.  

Yeah, your site is really a nice place to visit-NOT!!!  

@amir_asr "Some of you know that I am the founder of a company (Madrona Digital) that does custom integration of electronics into very high end homes."

I don't know your work (why don't you tell us about these custom high end installations)?

When I was a commercial real estate appraiser, I had occasion to appraise some quite fancy homes in the late-1980s ranging in $5 to $10 million in value.  I remember one Malibu Riviera home of $10 million that had Martin Logan electrostats mounted in the walls facing each other 2 stories high.   Wow, that must have sounded great (terrible in fact).  I saw rich homeowners hiring video and audio installers with $250,000+ systems that were terrible sounding (good video though).  I take no credence in your company's installations unless 1. I know what components were used and 2. (unlikely to happen) I can hear the results for myself.