Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

ive devised a blind listening test of my own. i flip through a bin of records blindfolded and choose one at random. then i put it on, crack a beer, and enjoy the music. you guys should try this - VERY revealing, and unimpeachable on the scientific level.

@prof

 

You saying you blind tested a shunyata power cable vs. a cheap $15 is a strawman also, you can’t prove it to anyone here that you actually did that.

when all is said and done, if i need to know how something sounds, i'm simply going to go listen to it and make my own judgements

There is NO question that a device that measures better will sound more accurate(maybe not better depending on taste). The problem is we don't know how to measure audio products completely. We can do some measurements but the ones we do do not define a product. At minimum we need to do many measurements(and flatness and % distortion is far from sufficient) and also learn how to combine them for a final result. We can't do that now. The best we can do is identify measurements that are good clues and combine them with experienced listening however that's defined for each individual.

It is possible that some bad measurements can tell us that a product can't be accurate but we are miles from measurements totally defining accuracy. For what it's worth I am a measurements(and subjective person) and there are some measurements that I believe are good clues but they aren't the classical distortion and response ones. I recall my late friend Murray Zeligman who knew more about measurements than most  tell me the first thing he looked at for a speaker was the impedance curve because it was a big source of predicting speaker performance.

Receiving criticism for saying that no measurements can tell you if you will like the 'sound'.  Surely you buy hifi for how it sounds, that includes your preference. Tube amps always measure badly but many prefer how they sound.