Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@fair , the ham radio guys have how to videos on you tube on how to make antennas from speaker wire. What a waste of money to use junk cables on high end speakers, you flushed your speaker investment down the drain because those speakers will never perform to potential:

@fair - Welcome to my world and the Audiogon forum.  Very interesting theories on cable heat sink and antenna attributes which can be reduced or eliminated.  That's one of the reasons I read Audiogon forums.  

@djones51 Very likely.  Especially cable and tweak manufacturers. 

Mitch2 gives some examples why just in the specs on the other forum.  Problem is that even the ASR recommended speaker manufacturers don't reveal test measurements and rely on reviewers. Revel speakers typically measures great, why don't they publish their tests?  

@prof

"This is the deep irony/hypocrisy that almost always arises in these threads.

For the most part people making the "ASR-type case" are trying to offer a reasoned case with civility.  The ad hominem and insults, like above, tends to come from the "anti-objective" side...who then go on to blame the "objectivists" for being the dogmatic thread-crappers."

Not really prof. You and a few others who push the ASR line are polite and engage in interesting conversation and banter. Quite a few others are rude and objectionable and behave like yapping dogs. Amir himself is one of these. Another one accuses posters from this site as lying but has produced no evidence or quotes to back this up, Another one appears to deny the existence of a thread on ASR itself showing that 39% of Topping amp purchasers have problems.

I don't think anyone here is weird enough to push the line that a magic wood from the Amazon jungles will give you that special sound. However many of us do take the line that dacs do sound different and that perhaps a wonderfully measuring dac  pushed by Amir does not sound that great. It is these areas which cause exasperation and friction - when the ASR community says you are crazy for spending $x on A when B measures far better and is a better product.

Also I think Amir's iron fisted approach of throwing out everyone who disagrees with him is pretty rude and shows the sort of person he is. I feel sorry for him as he appears to need confirmation from his members and brooks no debate.

Most here are happy to discuss and debate with reasonable minded people.

@laoman - Yes. Exactly my feeling. 

I noted some overvalued and inconsequential examples of tweaks earlier in this forum that no one commented on. Of course they were commented on on ASR. My friends and I did hear the Shun Mook LP Clamp $5600. In that system which is high end, it did improve the sound but the system itself while exhibiting great resolution, dynamics, sweet tonal qualities was just fatiguing. Maybe it was too forward, in your face sound. I don’t remember exactly but it was too much! As to the clamp, we didn’t think it was worth the money. But I wouldn’t criminalize the manufacturer as defrauding the public as ASR members would probably concur to do.

I don't think anyone here is weird enough to push the line that a magic wood from the Amazon jungles will give you that special sound.

That's a keeper.