Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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amir_asr

... I listen to every speaker, every headphone and every headphone amplifier and dac combo. That is nearly half of what I review ...

So you listen to "nearly half" of the components you "review." That’s not very impressive.

... if you are going to make outlandish claims that go against decades of audio science research and engineering, and stomp your feet ...

You seem to be the one who’s foot stomping and (as your bold face suggests) shouting, too.

As for "outlandish claims," it’s hard top your claim that you’ve "reviewed" components that you haven’t ever heard. You may be the only "reviewer" with that level of confidence. Truly odd.

@fleschler 

@Amir Keep your fans on ASR. 

I have no control of anyone.  But if you want us to stay away from this site, then don't create a thread with such falsehoods and continue to repeat the same.  For heaven's sake, you confused me with another youtuber in your introductory post which repeats one every page of this thread.  And continue to misrepresent what we do.

Can't hear differences in cables that measure the same=something is very wrong here. 

Another falsehood.  Cables all measure differently.  I don't know about you but I don't stick a cable in my ear and listen to it.  I listen to the final output of my system.  There, measurements show the same results with different cables.  And it is this testing which I perform which damns them and other tweaks.  That the final sound waves coming out of an amp, DAC, etc. does NOT change when you apply these tweaks.

If you or someone else still finds that the they sound different, it is time to only use your ears.  Don't involve any other senses.  And repeat the test to make sure you can consistently tell these tweaks apart.  

One doesn't have to believe any online person; however, based on the enormous "subjectivist" opinions, people actually do hear differences, right or wrong, personal preferences included, regardless of measurements and decide to what sounds best to them, in a system, in a room.  Nothing you say will change that. 

That's wishful thinking on your part.  Facts are that ASR reach is twice of this site despite being much younger site.  That is not because I am more handsome than  you although I like to think I am!!! 😁 It is because people see the value we provide in cutting through personal opinion spread by company marketing and random joe online.  

I listen in the dark with all lights off when I want to immerse myself in the music, just like a movie theater.  I don't see differences in sound, I hear them.  

Not really.  You are sitting there worrying if this or that other useless tweak like a cable makes a sonic difference.  I and others on ASR do not.  We have confidence in engineering and solid research and testing of what matters in audio, and what doesn't.  Our enjoyment of music then is far greater because we are freed from the wild west of "everything matters" that you live in.

Dismissive of older equipment not measuring as well as cheap current equipment is as wrong as dismissing older recordings because they used older technology with distortions and reduced resolution, etc. of tape versus superior hi-res digital. 

What are you talking about?  I test plenty of "older" technology.  

 

You think you are superior to nearly everyone who posts on Audiogon because your opinion is based on measurements (except when you don't find a measurable difference ala cables, tweaks, etc).  The overwhelming majority do not think so.  I am just one music lover with recording/performing experience and a high end audio reproduction system.      

Oh, you are now representing this entire forum?  Really?  The segment of audiophile market you represent is tiny.  The desktop audio market dwarfs the rest of the industry like nobody's business.  You think there are millions of people who go and buy expensive audio cables???

As to your final statement, no, you are obsessed with things in audio that don't make an audible difference.  You spend energy seeking variations there instead of enjoying  your system.  

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@amir_asr , +1, I think you have been more respectful in your latest posts on this site.

I completely agree with you and appreciate that you added the emphasis:

That aside, I am NOT a scientist.

Feel free to post in some other threads here as many of us can’t even start these threads on ASR, they might be considered controversial or even heresy.

I have no control of anyone.

You control everyone at ASR and we have a consensus of members here who feel you heavily censor your site and bannish contributors on a whim.

You are obsessed with stuff that makes no audible difference.

So are you, you measure and comment on stuff that makes no audible difference all the time.