Help Building an Audio Room


Hi All

I have been allotted a 15x15 x 10h room in the corner of my basement by the wife.
While I’m very happy to have a dedicated audio room, I have some questions and concerns. I’m hoping you all might be able to help. 

1) Three of the walls are poured concrete.  The space has crazy slap eco already and the 4th/back wall is not even closed in yet.

I am having the walls framed in, insulated, electrical, drywall etc. I am thinking of having them frame and build one wall an additional distance off the cement wall some amount so the room is not a square

Is that a good idea?  If so, how much out of square does it need to be to benefit from not being 15x15? Is 15x14 enough? Should I go for 15x13?  I can set up the speakers about any way I would like. 
 

2) Next question.  Should I have them install a certain type of insulation behind the drywall?  Money is an object, but now is my chance to build the room the best way I can within reason and to offset the square room I’m starting with. 
 

3) Anything else I should consider before/as they begin to frame, etc? 
 

Thanks very much!
 

jo1mtb

@jo1mtb i am also preparing to build a dedicated two channel listening room in my basement with 10 foot ceiling height. I have spent 3 months researching everything from room dimensions for least problematic room modes to optimized wall construction methods for noise isolation/best acoustical performance to best dedicated electrical service practices. 

Here are a few suggestions to consider:

1) Room dimensions have a significant influence on room modes that will give you fits and require big investment in room treatments to try to reduce these “built in” problematic room modes. Bottom line is that a) square rooms are most undesirable, b) any dimension that is a direct multiple of any other creates overlapping axial modes (the most problematic type to treat), c) small changes in any dimension (even a few inches) can have a large effect on resulting room modes.

So, your proposed 15’ x 15’ x 10’ room size is really a big problem (violates a and b above). Even a 15’x 20’ x 10’ room would be a real problem with overlapping axial modes. One of the best ratios is 1.4 x 1.9 x 1. Given our fixed 10’ ceiling height, that would be a 14’ x 19’ x 10’ room. This is the room size I plan to build.

If you want to play with different room dimensions scenarios to see their resulting room mode behavior, try this tool (and also Bob Gold’s calculator):


 

2) After talking with several big name acoustic design companies, I have chosen ASC. Their technical folks are readily available for consultation (at no fee), are super helpful, and never try to push their products as the solution to every need. I also have concrete block walls on two sides on my planned room space. Their advice here was to build the framed walls at a least a few inches away from the concrete block to give air space for pressure to escape, also using insulation between studs and even plywood sheet on the outer side of the framing.

Since our master bedroom is directly above the planned listening room, sound isolation through the ceiling (both to and from he bedroom) is a major concern. After thoroughly investigating several options, I chose ASC’s ISO-Wall resilient channel system for the construction method for my room. Not only does ASC’s system provide excellent sound isolation, the resilient channel system allows the walls to act as controlled membranes to improve low bass room modes. You can get details on this system form their website or by calling ASC.

3) My conclusion on insulation was that the more expensive types (rock wool, etc) are a poor cost/benefit proposition over standard fiberglass insulation. It is the millions of small fibers with ample air space between them that perform the work on acoustic dampening, so loosely packed fiberglass insulation (R-13:or R-19) works great between the studs in your wall. Consider using 2” x 6”:lumber for wall studs in your construction - much stiffer than standard 2” x 4” studs ad only about 20% more expensive. 

4) As for room acoustical treatment, that is a whole big enigma unto itself. Beware of companies that push “more is better” and “one size fits all” recommendations. Room size and construction have a great deal of impact on how much interior room treatments will be necessary. Poor decisions on room dimensions and construction techniques will cost you much more in subsequent interior room treatments to deal with the undesirable room modes and resonances that will result.

Hope this helps!

Thanks @mesch and @dlcockrum 

I really appreciate the thoughtful input and sharing.  

I'm stuck with the 15x15' max size, and of course I don't want to turn a medium/small room into a small/tiny room. 😁  I'm trying to balance it.  I'll play with the tool and hope i can find something more in the 14.5 x 13.5' space that will work.  Ideally, I don't want to lower the ceiling, but maybe 6-12".  I'll look at what that might do. 

Good to hear about regular insulation.  I will build all walls off the (3) concrete walls w/ 2x6 and add the insulation.  Although, I'm considering building one of the side walls maybe off further, like 12".  Something not equal to the room isn't square.  Also, thinking of tilting the front or rear wall a few inches...likely not noticeable if you're not looking for it.

I can't do anything toooo drastic or the WAF will trump it.  And I get her point.  I don't want to end up with a 5x7' fun-house room.  

This could be good; ASC’s ISO-Wall resilient channel system.  My audio room is below the master en suite.  So, pretty close.  

Thanks again to all!

Probably the best way to deal with room modes is a DBA. Four subs asymmetrically distributed around the room yields such smooth powerful deep bass a lot of the need for traps and such is rendered moot. 

Per the tool, looks like 13x15 x 9H is fairly decent and (barely) within the Bolt Area.  

That might a a good starting place.  To create the 15' wall, just leave as normal.  The 13' wall could be built with bookshelves in most of it. E.g. like the top picture Mr_Slate posted.  

There will be thick pad and carpet on the floor.  Maybe that's a decent start and then, work with sound treatment and furniture and speaker/listening placement.  

 

you're going to have a big problem cuz the room is square that's the worst kind of room to have so you're going to have to do some major room treatment.