@holmz That maybe, but it is a factual statement you cannot argue. People who live in glass houses…
Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?
After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication. Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review. One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products.
Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications. Those are not test measurements.
I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any. Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements. Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred. Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture. Do they have something to hide? I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.
ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions. Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?
Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."
Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.
I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.
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You are completely out of line with that comment. Mike's hospitality was very much appreciated and not remotely questioned. Please don't create fights with such falsehoods. As to your observations of sitting in corner and such, I am not aware of your listening skills. I do know that my experience in non-optimal location was not good. Here is my extensive write-up of one of my visits to his room:
"I initially sat on the second room to the left. That is behind the sweet listening chair visible in the above picture. Anyway, none of his has anything to do with my post. I was merely mentioning that in a thread dedicated to measurements and fellow demanding room measurements, you don't go and post about Mike system. And any comment about his sound relative to mine without listening or measurements, says you have substituted your eyes for your ears. |
I am not a shill for any company. Companies don't need anechoic chambers. They can simply rent space in one or get Klippel to measure it for them. The cost is less than $2,000 for a speaker. If a company can't afford to do this, or can't be bothered, it is not going to get my support. It is one thing for a DIY to not afford such fees, it is entirely different matter for a major company. Note also that we are not not just looking for a few simple measurements. We want full CEA-2034 plus distortion measurements. A few gated measurements are not going to do it. |
@amir_asr , the title of this thread is not cables anything. The title is about manufacturers and measurements right? I posted the specs of the cables I list in my virtual system because it got right to the point of the OP, that’s it. You shared how to do a blind test, I shared that I did one as you mentioned. It was a response to your suggestion about switching cables as a friend helps, that’s it. Now, if you go back you stated I made a mistake (in bold, like you were shouting) That is where this went off the rails, you never heard my system, never tried these cables, etc. Now, as this thread IS about measurements after all, let’s go there OK? I am willing to give you a rematch, NP. So far you have failed to answer the bell and posted nothing about your own system. I offered to help, encouraged you to start a thread if your aren’t happy with something. As for @mikelavigne he was nice enough to contribute to a thread I started about end game systems. That thread wasn’t about measurements OK? So, your hot air is still blowing, get on with it already, post something about your system. Audiogon Forum 1- ASR 0 If you want a rematch in a new thread start it, NP. This is the thread I started I met @mikelavigne in, feel free to join the party:
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