Question About Capacitor Upgrade in Tube Amp


Hi,

I am preparing to do a coupling capacitor upgrade on a recently purchased tube integrated amp. The two 0.22uF on the preamp tubes are fairly straight forward. But I noticed another similar model 0.33uF cap on the large filter capacitor for the B+ supply that is installed across the hot lead to ground.

Does this cap on the B+ just block high frequency noise from the power supply or does it have any effect on the amp tone? Is there any reason to "upgrade" this cap?

I know it may be hard to tell exactly what is going on without a schematic.

Also any recommendations on a good cap to use in the upgrade of the coupling caps? I was looking at Mundorf SilverGoldOil for the quality at not too crazy a price. The amp already sounds good but lacks a little clarity that I think a coupling cap swap will help with. It is SET 300B amp.

Thank you!

 

calieng

@calieng - the primary purpose of the bypass cap on the power supply electrolytic is to shunt high frequency noise on the B+ rail. I doubt it will have any affect on the high frequency response of the amp. The value of the cap is really not that significant as long as it is a good quality film cap. 

The biggest influence on the high frequency response will be from the output transformer and possibly from the feedback network. I wouldn't recommend changing these parts without a solid understanding of how the amp works as well as having adequate test equipment to make sure the amp is stable after the changes.

Using a higher quality coupling cap also might give you a small improvement in high frequency response if the one that is in there now is not of very good quality.  

Based on the good results with the Willsenton R300 I went ahead and upgraded the Muzishare X7 KT88 amp. It required four 0.22uF coupling caps and one 0.47uF filter cap bypass film cap.

I used the Mundorf SilverGold Oil 1000VDC again.

Similar results. Most noticeable change - the depth of the soundstage significantly increased and more holographic image. Slight increase in soundstage width. Better treble crispness and rounder fuller bass with better instrument separation.

Upgrade cost approx $200.

I am using Gold Lion KT88 and 5AR4 tubes with Mullard reissue 12AX7 and 12AU7s in the Muzishare.

 

Between the two upgraded amps, the Willsenton R300 has the edge in vocals and holographic sound. The Muzishare X7 has the edge in treble response and bass punch. Both are wonderful amps with the upgrade.

And if there was any doubt - after doing this for a second time, good coupling caps make a significant improvement in sound over the factory cheap caps.

I peeled the labels off both the factory branded Willsenton and Muzishare coupling caps and there is no label underneath. So the source of the factory caps is unknown. Although the Muzishare factory caps were much larger than the Willsenton with what looks like a better construction.

And once again the Willsenton R300 comes from the PrimaLuna/Cayin factory (Zhuhai Spark Electronic Equipment Co, LTD) and the Muzishare from the Line Magnetic factory (Zheng brothers Zhuhai factory) so other components in the amps do appear to be decent and not requiring an upgrade (Nichicon electrolytic, Alps potentiometer etc.)

Hi @calieng ,

You did right thing to chose relatively affordable Mundorf capacitors for your Willsenton R300 amplifier.

Duelunds and V-Cap CuTf are very good but they are overkill for such not expansive amplifier. With all respect coupling and power supply bypass capacitors shouldn't be the most expansive part in any amplifier.

Regards,

Alex.

@alexberger 

Yes the Mundorfs seemed to be a best bang for the buck. I found an online dealer selling them around $30-$40 each depending on the value for SGO Supremes.

And while the Willsenton at around $900 plus shipping might seem to be a cheap amp compared to other equipment discussed on here I do have to say that it sounds on a completely higher level than my Luxman or Naim soild state amps when paired with the Forte IV speakers. Like sitting in the front row of a jazz club. The music surrounds you and you can pick out the location of all the instruments. Mind you that is with Lumin U1 and Denafrips Venus II front end.

I firmly believe that we should support products from USA, UK, and others as opposed to from some other locations with questionable governments but if you are looking at buying products like Line Magnetic, PrimaLuna, Cayin, Icon Audio....The Willsenton and Muzishare can also be considered from the same factories and for less than half the price. Maybe just benefiting from a few capacitor upgrades as I have done.

People should also be aware that dealers from this country of origin can be pretty sketchy so for some the extra cost of a USA based dealer with the other brands is well worth it....but that is another discussion entirely.