System that sounds so real it is easy to mistaken it is not live

After 4 months I suggested my friend try subs to look for an improvement and before that nothing was wrong with the bass but true self powered subs goes lower than what is need and SL can't goes down there.

Latter on he changed the Majestic line for the top Ultimate that sounds alittle better but with almost same problem in the low bass.

@rauliruegas In this statement you are again confirming our experience. The large Sound Labs like the A1 and Majestic have no trouble whatsoever playing the deepest bass effortlessly. They go right down to 20Hz. But if the amplifier used to drive them behaves as a voltage source (for example, but not limited to the Parasound) it will be found to be bass shy. This is simply because the amp can't make power into such a high impedance in the bass as occurs in the Sound Lab.

So it is common with Sound Lab owners who use solid state amps to look to subwoofers to get the bass right.

@atmasphere : Please don’t try to state what you not0 even experienced because what you posted about is that you have not the experience to listen true bass down to at least 16hz with out almost distortion and at near 120dbs. Something that no single SL can do it by it self.

Read this review where the reviewer mated with Bricasti and Pass monoblokks:

With the SL friend was the SL designer/owner who gave him the recomendation of the JC monoblocks to mates his design. Not atmasphere but the self designer: got it?

Here the Majestic specs from the SL site:

https://www.soundlabspeakers.com/majestic/

R.

PERIOD.

Please don’t try to state what you not0 even experienced because what you posted about is that you have not the experience to listen true bass down to at least 16hz with out almost distortion and at near 120dbs.

@rauliruegas That is so funny- ROTFLMAO!!

Its funny because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, which in this case is what I might have done or experienced in my life!

Sheesh  🤣

Dr West often recommends the Atma-Sphere MA-2 for his products and so about 80% of our MA-2 production drives SL speakers. We've shown at CES and THE Show multiple times with Sound Lab (starting back when CES was still at the Sahara in the early 1990s), and gotten Best Sound at Show (Dick Olsher); I've heard Sound Labs with our gear a lot over the last 25 years and I'm on a first name basis with him and others there.

I'm not denigrating Parasound or any other solid state amp in my comments. Dr West did recommend Parasound to anyone who suggested that they don't want tubes. I get that. Of course you know that we have a class D amplifier we've been selling the last year and a half; we get asked if that amp will drive Sound Labs and my answer is the same as if it were any other amplifier:

'It will drive Sound Labs but will not make the power and might seem a bit bass shy simply due to the impedance of the speaker being 30 Ohms in the bass.' That statement applies to all solid state amps that operate as voltage source on Sound Labs and that includes the Parasound (FWIW when I've visited Sound Lab they had a Boulder amplifier).

Now the speaker allows you some adjustment of output levels- it has bass jumpers for changing that level a bit and a Brilliance control. So unlike a lot of ESLs its a bit more adjustable to the voltage response of the amplifier. But its going to be bass shy with solid state amps because solid state amps tend to act as a voltage source.

How this works is the impedance curve of the speaker varies by a factor of about 10:1 from the bass to 20KHz. So its about 3 Ohms at 20KHz (somewhat dependent on the position of the Brilliance control) and 30 Ohms in the bass. It is a little different from other ESLs in that it employs a crossover for two transformers used to interface between the amp and the speaker panel- one for highs and one for lows. So the impedance curve has a bump in it that corresponds to the crossover to the HF transformer. ESLs don't follow the same speaker design rules that box speakers do, starting for the most obvious reason that there's no box with its accompanying resonance.

Here we go. Another thread ruined by the usual culprit.