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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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@audioman58 , by what definition do you define reference level? Popularity? Lots of write ups?  Many many people do not like B&W speakers, not even the 801. As a speaker guy, there are some excellent things about this speaker, however, I always feel like they got it to market before they finished it as they always seem uneven in the upper treble. Maybe in a few years I will no longer care as I can't hear it.

What do you think Bricasti amplifiers do that cannot be done in a power speaker. This is where @donavabdear 's comments come in. A class- D amplifier can easily keep up with the Bricasti for the bass frequencies, and then a good quality A/B amplifier would have no problem matching for the mids and high frequencies, both perfectly matched to the drivers they are connected to.

The 801 has almost too wide a dispersion for many home installations. It has a lot of energy off axis which can result in it being viewed as bright without adequate absorption. This is a common complaint. The Genelec is tuned to be near ideal for many installations. Most Genelec would require a sub to compete for bass frequencies and level. I expect the distortion of the best Geneiec equals or is lower than the B&W Bricasti combination. Less distortion, less lost details.

Bricasti amplifiers and preamplifiers are substantially better in tone , micro detail, bass capability ,accuracy and tone and depth of instruments totally on a much higher level and their drivers and cabinets far from ideal and vibrate ,and drivers 

are average quality by any Audiophile standard. B&Wwas just an example but their latest models and Diamond costed tweeters are far more accurate measurements 

by a large margin ,in theunder $5 k range Genelec are good , a solid C class speaker amp combo ,you get what you pay for , if you can afford it 

just lookin TAS magazine  many great products out there .

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Bricasti amplifiers and preamplifiers are substantially better in tone

What does that mean? The best Genelecs have near perfect frequency response and very low distortion. How could an amplifier like Bricasti which is neither flat in frequency response with many speakers, nor low in distortion at high frequencies create better tone?

 

, micro detail,

The Bricasti is not low in distortion. If you are not low in distortion then you cannot be better at detail, micro or otherwise. I don't see how you justify this point.

 

bass capability ,

The Genelecs will need a sub so I will accede this point. However, a good subwoofer is likely to be better than the 801 in deep accurate bass. It will be an active subwoofer.

accuracy and tone

Back to the Genelec has near perfect frequency response and low distortion. The room will influence tone and the Genelec is likely to provide a superior result in most rooms due to better dispersion. It also lacks high frequency errors that the B&W has.

 

and depth of instruments totally on a much higher level

I do not know what this comment means so I cannot comment.

 

and their drivers and cabinets far from ideal and vibrate ,and drivers 

How can you make that claim. The distortion figures implies the drivers and amplifier are very high quality, near ideal over a wide frequency range.  What evidence do you have that the cabinets vibrate? 

 

are average quality by any Audiophile standard. B&Wwas just an example but their latest models and Diamond costed tweeters are far more accurate measurements 

I think this is supposition. If the B&W is superior, why does its frequency response have a good sized dip?  Have you compared the two speakers side by side (adding the appropriate sub to the Genelec?). B&W quote 0.3% THD, 100-20KHz, 90db, 1W/1m. The available data I have for the Genelec is 0.4% at a similar power level.  You will need to roll off to subwoofers to match the bass performance as I have noted.

 

by a large margin ,in theunder $5 k range Genelec are good , a solid C class speaker amp combo ,you get what you pay for , if you can afford it 

just lookin TAS magazine  many great products out there .

The 801D4 is $35,000. I expect compared to say the 8361, which is $10,000 / pair, they are made in lower volume. The cabinet for the 801D4 is an expensive complex wood laminate. Isn't the finish 20 coats?  The base is expensive. There is a lot that goes into the construction that makes the speaker look nice, and contributes to cost, but does not help the sound. From what I have read, the dealer markup on B&W is a significant step up from professional sound products. The difference in shipping alone would be substantial.  The Genelec will also require 2 subwoofers to compete fully on bass. Those are not cheap, $6,000 - $8,000 / pair, or $16,000 - $18,000 combined.

I would not be hasty to make assumption that the B&W /Bricasti is substantially better or is even better, in a typical room, setup properly, and equalized to match basic frequency response.