End Game Turntable suggestions


Hello all, looking for insights to help me narrow down to some core choices; I am open to new or preowned. My system details can be seen under my profile.

In summary I have significantly expanded my vinyl collection and as of now I am looking to purchase an end game turntable appropriate for my setup. As you can see I use Mola Mola Kaluga Monos, and I really like the Zesto Pre and Phonostages. I find the class D/tube pre combination very pleasing. 

I would appreciate suggestions for around $5-8K (table + arm), new or used. I will have separate budget for cartridge. One preferred option (but not must-have) is universal voltage, as I may move the unit to Europe later. My current vintage turntable (Project Perspective) is 22 years old, and while I don't know how to compare to something really amazing, I can say that my setup is lacking detail and bass. The tonearm is terrible to keep aligned. Based on visits to Axpona and Cap Audio Fest and other research, I am thinking of a few in my budget, but will really value your suggestions of other brands:

- Origin Live Sovereign

- VPI Signature

- SAM Sinner

- Thorens TD 1601 (semi automatic)

Visual appeal is important to me (which is why Technics 1200 is not on my list despite great reviews everywhere). I love the idea of set it and forget it DD tables, but unfortunately mostly out of my budget (eg VPI HW-40 going for abt 11K used)....

Sorry for the long post but my hope is this background and help solicit good suggestions. Thanks

 

musicmatters1206

Panzerholz is excellent for sure, but it is also very dense. Thus I see panzerholz as a kind of mass damping, in the same category as any other materials used to the same end. Albeit panzerholz may be the best or one of the best choices. PH for a tonearm wand is also an interesting idea but such a wand will inevitably have a high effective mass, due to the density. Reed offer PH as an option. I believe it’s their highest mass choice.

safebelayer looks like you are trying to sell your Basis table here on the Agon forums which is against policy. You should probably post your ad in the market place on Agon

Densified Wood has a very different measurement to nearly all materials typically used as a Plinth.

From knowledge gathered there are only a few substances that are close in measurement to damping factor measured in a Densified Wood and none of these will be referred to as Typical Material seen in use.

Densified Wood also has a quite different frequency to other materials and it is this combined with the Damping Factor that places it where it is with desirable measurements, and seen ideal to adopt the role of a Plinth, and is becoming used for other roles as well.

Panzerholz, was one of the materials promoted in the earliest days by those who were using science to prove the value of moving away from a Mass Plinth.

Possibly due to the Brand being readily available in Mainland Europe and for quite a period of time in the UK, it is a Densified Wood that has gathered a popular use with those expressing an interest in this side of the Science and available Technology to support it.

It has to be experienced in use, there is not easy ways to describe how it use, a whole new insight into how a recording can sound will manifest.

Combine this with PC Tripe C Wire as Upstream Signal Wire in a Analogue Chain and there is a tremendous amount of betterment on offer.

I really do hope a Cart' is produced with this wire as a Coil Wire in the not too distant, that would make not just one person happy.        

 

Thanks to everyone so far for such an informative conversation. I think this will be useful to a lot of others in my situation. I will soon do a summary post on ffindings so far to make it easy for a new reader of the thread.
@ghdprentice very valid question. TBH I could stretch the budget to 10K or thereabout if there would be a material benefit. What would be your suggestions? As for your point on associated equipment - yes, I have a material upgrade coming up on speakers, in the ~30K range, but that will be whole another adventure (on my list are ATC SCM 100ASLT, Magico S5 Mk II, potentially Legacy Aries II). In short, I need to choose a table keeping in mind future upgrades....

 

@glennewdick thank you for your recommendation of acoustic-solid. Everything I have read so far seems to indicate this is a quality manufacturer with real world prices. I actually wrote their NA rep in Ontario earlier today to get more info. Someone asked me earlier my visual preference, I think acoustic-solid....i am smitten. Just look at this thing:

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