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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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Further, @kota1 , for trying to raise the knowledge of the group I have received abusive replies like yours. Now it is like you are actively trying to stunt other people's knowledge. Why is that?

You can read them or not read them. It is your choice to educate yourself in an area you clearly are not educated in, or to not educate yourself.

@thespeakerdude 

for trying to raise the knowledge of the group

You are striking out, you have 0 credibility, post your creds to get some cred.

Of course, anyone who claims to be a knowledgeable audiophile and up on active speaker technology should know some of the things I have mentioned, that go beyond simple active crossovers, are already on the market,

http://www.kiiaudio.com/acoustics.php.  The Dutch and Dutch 8C also plays some DSP tricks in addition to their acoustic advances. Somewhere out there, you can also find Bruno talking about tight integration of speakers and amplifiers as simple voltage drive is not the best drive solution.

The whole premise of the B&O 90 is advanced active speaker techniques for directivity control:  http://https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/us/speakers/beolab-90

Of course, it is not like Samsung (Harman) is asleep at the switch: 
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170188150A1/en

I could go on, but I have real work to do, you know, with speakers, that people buy.

 

@lonemountain 

Appreciate your comments about personal corporate experience.  My personal experience is based on working with Fortune 500 and Fortune 100 companies.  Regardless of what any of those companies professed, the engineering department never won against the bean counters.  That is truly a good think if ATC engineers always win.

As you cite KEF as an example, they survived the bean counter battles to become immune to cost???  Many more "cost is no object" startups do not survive when financial reality appears.

Electronics most frequently fail due to overstress.  Either design parameters are exceeded or the design was not robust initially.  Connectors are a problem area.  Primarily poor design choices to save a few pennies.  Whether active or passive speaker, push on connectors internally are a very poor choice but do save pennies.

@thespeakerdude

It is impossible to have a knowledgeable discussion on a topic if you lack knowledge of the topic.

Took a while for this attitude to appear.  Reminds me of another forum claiming to be a place for learning.  Until - - reasonable questions seeking knowledge are met with similar "you need to read this book, that report, seven research papers" before being qualified to engage in discussion. 

Back to the topic of technical superiority.  A completely vague and undefined terminology. What is the measurement? What is the environment? What is the standard of comparison?  How is good, better, best, superior defined?  If an active speaker FR is 1%, 5%, 10% flatter than a passive speaker FR does it sound better? 

I really don't care how anyone decides on a speaker purchase.  Research minutiae for months or pick based on listening only or pick the sexiest package.  The original post set the tone to promote controversy.  SUCCESS.  Not much but hot air followed.