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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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Yes I did ask an you gave me some choices

What are friends for?

but my BHKs are about 8 times more expensive and are hybrid. 

All I know is you said they weren't cutting it, price is not the issue.

 everyone says their equipment compares with more expensive equipment 

First of all "everyone" is stretching it a bit. Second of all "everyone" says that about a lot of very fine companies, take your pick.

it’s hybrid which is a must a tube front end is the most pleasing sound to me 

So, your entire throw down was based on confusion? You "thought" you wanted a new amp but really didn't want a new amp? And you thought audiophiles were confused... LOL

it really really sounds great that is so frustrating

We have all been there, I got nothing. You can either "change it up" or "suck it up".

I hate tubes just love the way they sound

No, you hate change as I already provided 3 alternatives to keep what you like and ditch what you hate.

 I’m fighting for all I can get. 

In order to win the fight you need to use your eyes and not just your ears. When will you post your measurements? See my virtual system for examples.

I don’t have any big problems in my room because of its shape and size.

That's a GREAT start in your fight.

I told you how I have to do a pretty big upgrade on my system

Again, what are friends for, you talk, talk, talk, I think you need to change it up too.

I think I’m going to get a good preamp some new subs and maybe new speakers.

This is what build threads are for and you did nothing about that so far. Isn't the Lyngdorf good enough?

Yes I would love to invest in speakers and amps 

Everyone here does that too, you came to the right place. Before you go back and see another killer salesman I encourage you to ask for ideas from the membership.

I don’t think they exist with very few exceptions at or about the $100 to $150k speaker level.

Now who is dealing in "audiophile mythology"? This is fiction and I hope you don't drill holes in your wallet based on "mythology".

but in audiophile equipment it is another animal and it’s not always possible to audition equipment

I can say with confidence that very few members or audiophiles in general would spend more than even $10K without an audition or a 30 day return policy. Doing so is a very SERIOUS mistake. If you want we can start a 12 step program for you. 😁

you just have to hope and ask more experienced people.

No, you have to NOT listen to other people, you HAVE to listen to the stuff you want, in your room, with a good return policy if you don't like it.

I just bought a new Martin Logan amp to test out with my passive surround speakers. It comes with a 60 day return policy and if it don't fit my needs it goes back. Doesn't matter if its $2 or $200K that is a win/win. Martin Logan sells more stuff because they take the risk, even if some gear gets sent back. I get the win because I can check it out at no risk. (Martin Logan is owned by Paradigm and I think the amp has Anthem DNA, I know it has ARC 😀)

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

@secretguy Let me ask you a simple question, is it smarter to buy speakers and amps made for each other or not made for each other? Considering the many variables in speaker drivers, amps, and crossovers isn’t it important to have all these components work together especially if you are spending substantial money?

@kota1 I’m probably a bit slow but I just saw what I’m probably going to listen to That is the Sonus Faber AIDA 2 & McIntosh MC901 Tube/SolidState Amplifier Since Macintosh bought Sonus Faber they may be able to voice the speakers just like an active speaker that would be the best, I know Macintosh has passed through some good and bad hands in it’s history but this new amp is really turning heads and it is hybrid (the way tube amps should be) it’s also $35K the speakers are $160k and my dealer can get them, I think this is a winner. At least there is something out there in high end other than Steinway that is made for each other. What do you think?

I think we have members with that combo, I would start a new thread and get opinions from owners. If I had that budget I would choose active and my first stop would be a Bryston dealer. They have active speakers with the BAX outboard crossover. You could use Bryston amps, tubes, Mac, whatever. If you want everythibg to match you could replace the BAX crossover with the SP4 processor which Bryston can also use as an outboard crossover. I think going passive is going to be a let down for you. However, if you go mac/sonus obviously well matched.

https://bryston.com/active-loudspeakers/https://bryston.com/active-loudspeakers/

 

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Forgive me, for I have no input. I’ve just been following along :-) 

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That’s OK. Could be much worse . There is a speaker dude on this very thread pretending to be a speaker manufacturer who does not even own any speakers. The only “speaker system “ he has is in his 1998 Corolla 😉🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️