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Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?

After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler
mastering92
870 posts
 

@kenjit 

Like my Uncle used to tell his brother: "Who died and made you King?"

The meaning here is simple. You shouldn't try to take on a responsibility unless someone wants you to help them. Nobody asked for ASR. A great disservice is being done to manufacturers of audio equipment. The improper reviews and measurements do not correspond to real-world performance. I have nothing against your "master" personally; however the impact he continues to have on this industry is overwhelmingly negative. 

It's like if 100 people were to write a bad Google review and 1 star Glassdoor reviews for Madrona digital (Amir's company). 😃

@amir_asr 

I've gone over some of what I've written to you....perhaps I've been a bit harsh. So sorry about that! Please consider how you are impacting the livelihoods of employees when you negatively review otherwise good audio gear. Poor sales figures = layoffs.

kenjit
1,771 posts
 

@mastering92

Again you are contradicting yourself. First you said

ASR is powerless to influence the highest ranks of this industry; such as the top-most Studios, wealthy audiophiles, and audio dealers.

Then you say

A great disservice is being done to manufacturers of audio equipment.

It cant be both. Either ASR group has the capacity to change the industry or it is powerless. Which is it?

You are obviously envious of the success Amir has had. You feel that he is a threat to the industry because ignorance is bliss and you dont want to hear the truth. You are a typical audiophile. I suggest you unplug your silver audio interconnects and throw them away as they are useless. I also suggest you have your TADS measured by ASR group. We will charge you shipping to send it over to us and Amir will gladly test those suckers. You might be shocked at what he finds. You have been warned. Amir is a master of exposing the truth. A lot of these extremely expensive toys in the hifi market turn out to have abysmal performance. Who are you to get in the way of our work? If you have any counterevidence stop complaining, join the ASR forums and post your evidence. We will have a field day with you. Audiophiles deserve the TRUTH and you have no right to interfere.

kota1
2,706 posts
 

@kenjit 

join the ASR forums and post your evidence. We will have a field day with you.

They will just ban me, no one is allowed on that forum unless they kiss your masters.....feet.

Evidence posted, now bring your master to post his ok?

kenjit
1,771 posts
 

Those measurements are meaningless. What is it supposed to prove? Now show us some polar response plots liked Amir does and we will have a field day with you! I dare you! You will be shocked at the directivity errors!

You have massive room issues going on below 100hz. All you have shown is that you know how to use an EQ. Anybody could use an EQ to get whatever curve they liked. You have proven nothing important. You are wrong.

mastering92
870 posts
 

@kenjit 

I said: ASR is powerless to influence the highest ranks of this industry; such as the top-most Studios, wealthy audiophiles, and audio dealers.

Either way, if you write lousy reviews that undermine the actual capabilities of audio equipment, most people might believe it: since they are non-technical. Again, I say that you can't influence the enlightened folks who know their stuff.

I have more speakers than just the TADs. The TSM-300s were really good. TAD or any other company is not afraid of ASR. 

Going up against @kota1 is a very bad idea. Are you nuts?

 

 

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