Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?
After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication. Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review. One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products.
Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications. Those are not test measurements.
I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any. Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements. Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred. Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture. Do they have something to hide? I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.
ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions. Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?
Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."
Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.
I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.
@kota1 you must have very long arms. I don't think you will be taking the crown away from Amir any time soon. Big fish, very small pond. No need for the crown for me, I have my own Klippel to play with any time I want. Technically not my own, but close enough. My post had nothing to do with that though. I was simply pointing out that the green curve is a predicted corrected curve, not the actual measured corrected curve. I am sure as the "king of all measurements" you knew that though. |
You forgot to post your FR, this is throw down to get the crown, you got nothing, as expected.😫 @kota1 is THE:
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Seems like you have a bit of difficulty reading between the lines or accepting a congruent argument at face value. I enjoy responding to you and others...simply because it is entertaining to do so. You said:
Strength in numbers at a company means hardly anything. I know business owners who have run successful businesses with only 20 to 40 employees. And of course a VP at Microsoft would manage a larger team! Microsoft is a HUGE company...That would be no different for anyone else who landed Amir's role before or after at Microsoft. Failed - because WMA/WMP is freeware, no real audio editing software to speak of, the lowest layer of Windows Audio was already well established before Amir took sail of that boat, Zune, and others failed against the iPod. Today we have lots of DAPs that are better than the iPod. It's about innovation....and being able to get the attention of a larger audience. - This guy sent me a message on here: "Why don't you invent your own speakers and sell them?" Wow, what a compliment. I sure do have quite a bit of audio knowledge. But you know what? I'm not in competition with anyone; nor do I have grandiose narcissism like @amir_asr . Judging from how many discussions were started by @kenjit about speakers, perhaps he should give it a go first. Only because I am not qualified to do so. I can certainly do my best to help tune the final result as per your standard of sound quality to the masses, or even tell you if they're accurate / neutral / uncolored etc. Unlike folks at ASR, I know my limits and stay within them. I don't try to pretend to be something I'm not. |
This is from another post that I wrote: I made sure you two lovebirds were on the same line....so as to be together. I have been disappointed my so many of the top-measuring audio electronics featured on that website..! To such an extent that I sold all of them!! From DACs, to headphone amplifiers, to USB C dongles for android smartphones that claim better performance on paper than any high-end stand-alone DAC. You would think that Hollywood studios, Sony Music Studios, and other big players in industry would be using or recommending ASR gear by now... High-end audio and the pro audio/live sound industries should have died off since the inception and frequently-posted publications on ASR - The industry as a whole has not adapted; and there are a multitude of reasons why they haven’t. Products from those brands (You know who they are) are all "built to a cost" meaning that costs savings was all-important in terms of the quality of internal parts, design/implementation of DAC chips, the use of OP amps rather than discrete or custom types of FETs, poor quality casework that is feather-light and does not damp the internals properly, soldered-on inputs/outputs, vertical-chip capacitors that are computer-grade, rather than audio grade and therefore much cheaper to buy in bulk, the use of axial or radial capacitors rather than snap-in, the lack of ceramic saftey capacitors, no saftey resistors, and even the total absence of sacrificial fuses that blow in the event of a malfunction; to protect the inputs/outputs, reactive load (speakers, headphones), and the circuit itself. I could go on and on... lol It is so easy to buy the latest DAC chip in bulk, slap it on a PCB, include a cheap crystal oscillator at 10 cents a piece, and have output. Therefore, the measurements are often not the total sum of parts inside the electronics, but the DAC chip at the engineering standard itself. And not all DAC chips are created equal. The easier it is to implement/ it can withstand all kinds of substandard parts tolerances and temperature variations/ the worse it will sound. Rather than have all parts when, which measured, do not vary wildly and will compliment eachother to create a high-performace unit. |
