I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements


My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

kota1

@gregdude. It’s a matter of simple logic. The measurements and the measurer are blind to the system that the component being measured will be used in. Therefore the "is supposed to predict" assertion in the OP is fallacious. It’s an example of the common "argument based on false premises" fallacy.

@yoyoyaya

Thanks for asking me for a link, here is one I chose for this reply. What you have in audio is a "system" where one variable can impact everything in a chain. Take your $500 DAC which you know rules because it measured great, connect it to your $750 preamp that is "best in class", measured great and what does it sound like? It won’t be the same in my room as it will in my neighbors BECAUSE of the variables of the chain. Here is a link to one variable, the interconnection cable:

Under the handling conditions, a change in the capacitance of the cable due to the signal causes a change in the sound quality.

In essence a simple change in the capacitance of a cable can change the quality of the sound. Now, multiply that times every interconnection in your system and those measurements on the BENCH were hit the fan.

The general public would be better served auditioning it for themselves with 0 expectation bias with a return policy.

@dynamiclinearity

Measurements do give relevant info.

I think specs give relevant info. Beyond that there is 0 measurement that will tell me in advance how a component will sound in my 400 ft NYC studio with the tower speakers that measured well  I crammed them in, compared to the guy in Austin with a 5000 foot house and a dedicated room.

Wait, I just thought of a measurement that is relevant, the FR of the room. Beyond that the measurements stopped being useful once I knew it was the right voltage for my country. I think published specs are enough for anyone to decide if a product warrants an audition.

I don't think it's correct to say they are "bogus". 

I think its fair to see what the specs of a product are. Where "bogus" begins is when you attach judgement. Look at stereophile, they measure stuff all the time but they don't hand out prizes or cancels because of measurements. That's legit, leave it to the customers to decide.

ASR isn't the first or the last to try and cash in on being the gatekeeper to audio. Gene Dellasalla at Audioholics has some great videos but he clearly has  an agenda that he is the snake killer, but he is more venomous than the companies he trashes. 

@yoyoyaya

I like your line of thought, thanks for participating in the discussion. If I take speakers that measure well, and an amp that measures well, and a preamp that measures well, and a streamer that measures well and the whole kit cost $20K, what should I do? Buy?

When I see a reviewer tout a measurement, any measurement, as a YES or NO to that question I stick them in the bogus pile. Sadly someone, who would have otherwise compared and used judgement, jumped in and spent actual cash because he doesn’t have a test bench? No.

Again, no one website is the first to discover the power of click bait, and won’t be the last.