I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements


My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

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@thespeakerdude

You argue too much. If you want to at least appear credible post your system and in room FR measurements.

 

Also, I don't buy the parts tolerance argument. I'm a retired bench technician (Component level) and most audiophile grade equipment tolerances are very tight with many components within 1%, They are much more consistent than that especially when new!

 

I can't speak for audiophile speakers, but for professional speakers, most of our parts are +/- 3%, some +/- 5%, some were specified tighter, and some were specified looser.  A good designer/company will do a sensitivity analysis as part of their design and design validation. The architecture affects that sensitivity. A low order crossover will be more tolerant of component variation than a higher order crossover.

If I was designing for the potential use of tube amplifiers, I would improve some tolerances to improve impedance consistency.

You argue too much.

Is that a response to asking for your comments on the full AES article you linked to (that is behind a firewall)?   I find a topic called, "I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements" without substantiating that measurements are bogus as argumentative, but is not the whole point of being here to discuss?

@thespeakerdude

most of our parts are +/- 3%, some +/- 5%, some were specified tighter, and some were specified looser.

What proof do you have?

If I was designing for the potential use of tube amplifiers

No need, just buy one and some speakers then post it in your system with some pics.

I find a topic called, "I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements" without substantiating that measurements are bogus as argumentative

This is what I said in the OP:

The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

If you want to at least appear credible post your system and in room FR measurements.