So Weird- No Stylus Contact Woofer Pumping with Hana ML and Elac PPA-2


I observed the weirdest thing I have ever seen in audio. With the cartridge positioned above the record, tone arm locked up and platter spinning, the woofers were pumping on my system. I googled every permutation of query I could think of but came back with no hits. That’s when I decided to video the problem- link below:

Mystery Woofer Pumping

I could type out all the details but the video pretty much covers everything. I thought ya’ll might be interested in this.

 

mitchellcp
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Sorry. I’m wrong when I wrote DC has no rise time. I still doubt DC is moving your woofer at whatever low frequency it’s moving. And constant DC of one polarity will burn out a voice coil. If it’s rapidly changing polarity by 180 degrees perhaps not.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around this

DC into your woofer might burn up the voice coil but won’t move the diaphragm.

It’s not just this or just one board contributor. I find a subset of people in the Analog section of the board who are terse, unhelpful and impolite if not outright rude and insulting. What could be more unhelpful than to present, as a fact, something that simply false. There are other sections of this forum that are genuinely helpful.

I don’t know about anyone else but I feel like I stuck my hand in a bear trap by posting here. I saw something weird and shared it. I thought maybe there was a quick explanation (also, it was kind of funny). The act of posting doesn’t automatically mean I’m fair game for anyone’s ego trip. It also doesn’t mean I’m an ignorant newbie to be kicked around. For that matter neither is anyone else.

I pity the kid who is fighting with their first turntable and asks a question here. Approaching others with a little kindness and empathy as well as minding one’s manners would go a long way to improving this section of the forum. Fact checking before posting should be a no brainer.

 

"I find a subset of people in the Analog section of the board who are terse, unhelpful and impolite if not outright rude and insulting. What could be more unhelpful than to present, as a fact, something that simply false."

Would you like a lollipop to make you feel better? I made an error in my preconception of the definition of the term "rise time", and I subsequently admitted as much. No insult was intended. Yes, things can get heated here once in a while. You came here with your mystery. Now you want to insist that you alone have solved it. OK. I read that your preamplifier uses no output coupling capcitor; instead, it uses a servo to balance out any DC offset in its output. So your preamplifier could in theory emit DC, IF and only if its servo corrector is not operating rapidly enough to prevent any DC offset in its output. But even then, the error in cancelling DC would likely be in the low mV range, perhaps not enough to move your woofer so obviously.  (I say this because I use an Atma=sphere MP1 preamplifier that also uses a servo to cancel DC, and I have measured the error at 2mV, max.) I don’t know what amplifier you are using. If your amplifier uses a coupling capacitor at any point in its circuitry, then the amplifier cannot pass DC to your speaker, even the low level that might theoretically get past your preamplifier. Those are just facts. Not insults. I am only interested in getting the facts straight, because if you write something here that is just not possible based on facts, then some other reader may be misled. I operate on the assumption we are all here to learn.